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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 4:06 pm    Post subject: Bam Reply with quote

Namaste All,

The recent earthquake at Bam in Iran again tragically
highlighted the fact that a high magnitude earthquake, in an
area where the human dwellings are woefully inadequate, at
the worst possible time of day can cause massive loss of
life.

Such was also the case at Latur in Maharashtra and the Bhuj
quake.

We clearly have a task at hand to :

* Identify potential Bhujs, Laturs and Bams.
* To make the populations living there aware of the grave
risks involved
* To offer them feasible solutions to bring down the risk
to acceptable levels.

I can understand that making persons aware and offering
solutions is not a straight forward thing. However
identifying potential Bhuj, Latur and Bams at least a
preliminary list is fairly doable. especially since our
membership is distributed over a vast geographical area.

Such an execise in any case would precede prioritized of a
awareness and solution campaign whenever that is arrived at.

I request members of this egroup to inform the group of
populations at grave risk from earthquakes wherever they
can. The location mentioned should be as specific as
possible, maybe a city, town, village or locality. It would
be good if perceived reasons for structural inadequacies are
included.

We have already had the name of Pathparganj in New Delhi
mentioned where persons maybe at higher than average
earthquake risk. We need a comprehensive database which
defines the  risk scenario based on :

* Likelihood of a major earthquake
* Size of population exposed to the risk of an earthquake
* Competency of existing structures in limiting loss of
life / property

with regards,

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:05 am    Post subject: Bam Reply with quote

DT again here seems to be a very concerned person with a very noble thinking. But as he himself mentioned -

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I can understand that making persons aware and offering
solutions is not a straight forward thing.

Here is a catch. Look at the Pathparganj. Think (and advise) of any possible practical situation where in any one or any group of us may be able to do, as DT suggested. It is a very good idea; just an Idea , I would say. I'm not being cynical (Sorry If I seem so) but who (from among us) really could earn enough for this kind of "charity". Those who may have earned enough are "politicians" among us. Irony is, those "who can" somehow don't want to do, due to politics of being the "boss" or the "leader" or "renowned" etc etc. Some (or all) the founder members of this forum SEFI are aware of what I am hinting at.

What I say is, let us have a focused approach. Let there be "laws" first of all. I know many out there would say that "laws" don't mean anything in India. But I would say if there were no laws for Architects, people (read builders of Delhi) may have constructed buildings (first floor onwards with 12 fts of hanging cantilevers) over the roads and we would have gotten covered corridors for our convenience. Because of the laws, they are at least limited to the boundary's of the plots (mostly!). We are deprived of such a luxury on the Delhi roads because of these stupid laws!

So let the people with "weight" like respected Professors of IITs, Heads of various concerned Institutions and others MUST pressurise the Government to make the "laws" for structurural drawings to be mandatory for the construction even if it is a single room. There can be debate on this, but I'm sure before any one can do anything to help people in a way Dheerendra is suggesting, we must have rules.

Let's act fast before we see any more horrifying photographs of devastations by Earthquake in any part of our country at least!

Sincerely,

M.K.Mishra
New Delhi

[Putting in rebars, here and there, into various shapes of concrete, after learning the "tricks" of it thru, "Architects", "Clients (including their distant relatives)", "Contractors" and even "Seniors"]

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 1:20 am    Post subject: Bam Reply with quote

There are far too many such potential earthquake disaster prone sites in
India.
Pray that no damaging earthquakes occur near such so called Non-Engineered
structures.
I also predict a lot of damages - in the event of major earthquake -
to so called Engineered Structures, particularly to the present form of
multi-storeyed buidings with nearly open area at ground level for
parking purposes
.
The suburban housing, say, such as in California is mainly of wooden
construction
and hence do not collapse and loss of life is minimal.

I agree about educating the community. I understand UNDP in India
is planning pilot projects in several towns in zones V, IV and III

The main problem will be " who will foot the bill for strengthening
existing structures".

However, we could and should have better plans for reacting to
Post Disaster Actions.

Death due to Earthquake Disaster looks awful because it is concentrated
in a narrow region. We have lot more misery due to man-made
disasters due to traffic accidents or due to war and disease.

ARC
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From: <dhirendrat@gmail.com>
To: <prof.arc@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM
Subject: Bam


Quote:
Namaste All,

The recent earthquake at Bam in Iran again tragically
highlighted the fact that a high magnitude earthquake, in an
area where the human dwellings are woefully inadequate, at
the worst possible time of day can cause massive loss of
life.

Such was also the case at Latur in Maharashtra and the Bhuj
quake.

We clearly have a task at hand to :

* Identify potential Bhujs, Laturs and Bams.
* To make the populations living there aware of the grave
risks involved
* To offer them feasible solutions to bring down the risk
to acceptable levels.

I can understand that making persons aware and offering
solutions is not a straight forward thing. However
identifying potential Bhuj, Latur and Bams at least a
preliminary list is fairly doable. especially since our
membership is distributed over a vast geographical area.

Such an execise in any case would precede prioritized of a
awareness and solution campaign whenever that is arrived at.

I request members of this egroup to inform the group of
populations at grave risk from earthquakes wherever they
can. The location mentioned should be as specific as
possible, maybe a city, town, village or locality. It would
be good if perceived reasons for structural inadequacies are
included.

We have already had the name of Pathparganj in New Delhi
mentioned where persons maybe at higher than average
earthquake risk. We need a comprehensive database which
defines the  risk scenario based on :

* Likelihood of a major earthquake
* Size of population exposed to the risk of an earthquake
* Competency of existing structures in limiting loss of
life / property

with regards,

Dhirendra Tripathi


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:41 am    Post subject: Bam Reply with quote

Dear Colleagues:

I agree generally with the discussions on this topic on SEFI.
I want to add only one point:

When we thnk of earthquake safety, we immediately think of the huge task
of seismic retrofitting of a huge stock of deficient constructions. I feel
our priority should be to ensure that in next three years we reach a
point, where say 90% of ALL new constructions in the country will comply
with seismic safety standards.

If we cannot ensure eartqhuake safety of a new building being built today,
it will be candidate for retrofitting tomorrow. And, it is much easier and
cheaper to ensure safety features in a new building.

Best regards,

Sudhir Jain


Quote:
There are far too many such potential earthquake disaster prone sites in
India.
Pray that no damaging earthquakes occur near such so called
Non-Engineered structures.
I also predict a lot of damages - in the event of major earthquake - to
so called Engineered Structures, particularly to the present form of
multi-storeyed buidings with nearly open area at ground level for
parking purposes
.
The suburban housing, say, such as in California is mainly of wooden
construction
and hence do not collapse and loss of life is minimal.

I agree about educating the community. I understand UNDP in India
is planning pilot projects in several towns in zones V, IV and III

The main problem will be " who will foot the bill for strengthening
existing structures".

However, we could and should have better plans for reacting to
Post Disaster Actions.

Death due to Earthquake Disaster looks awful because it is concentrated
in a narrow region. We have lot more misery due to man-made
disasters due to traffic accidents or due to war and disease.

ARC
----- Original Message -----
From: <dhirendrat@gmail.com>
To: <prof.arc@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM
Subject: Bam


Quote:
Namaste All,

The recent earthquake at Bam in Iran again tragically
highlighted the fact that a high magnitude earthquake, in an
area where the human dwellings are woefully inadequate, at
the worst possible time of day can cause massive loss of
life.

Such was also the case at Latur in Maharashtra and the Bhuj
quake.

We clearly have a task at hand to :

* Identify potential Bhujs, Laturs and Bams.
* To make the populations living there aware of the grave
risks involved
* To offer them feasible solutions to bring down the risk
to acceptable levels.

I can understand that making persons aware and offering
solutions is not a straight forward thing. However
identifying potential Bhuj, Latur and Bams at least a
preliminary list is fairly doable. especially since our
membership is distributed over a vast geographical area.

Such an execise in any case would precede prioritized of a
awareness and solution campaign whenever that is arrived at.

I request members of this egroup to inform the group of
populations at grave risk from earthquakes wherever they
can. The location mentioned should be as specific as
possible, maybe a city, town, village or locality. It would
be good if perceived reasons for structural inadequacies are
included.

We have already had the name of Pathparganj in New Delhi
mentioned where persons maybe at higher than average
earthquake risk. We need a comprehensive database which
defines the  risk scenario based on :

* Likelihood of a major earthquake
* Size of population exposed to the risk of an earthquake
* Competency of existing structures in limiting loss of
life / property

with regards,

Dhirendra Tripathi









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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 5:16 pm    Post subject: Bam Reply with quote

Namaste All,

I agree with Dr. Jain that priority must be to focus on new
structures.

However humanity indulges in a herd mentality. If we will
not begin to address the
issue of older unsafe structures persons shall continue to
copy them and create new
unsafe structures.

If we want to stop buildings being made with open parking
space on the ground floor
then we need to show the community in that area where new
construction is underway
that the earlier designs place them or their descendents at
grave risk.

If a retrofitting exercise begins then immediately the local
builders will possibly
begin to use seismic safety as a selling point and be
willing to allocate greater
resources for it.

Nearly all safety campaigns like AIDS, Fire, Burglary
Insurance use victims to hammer
home their point. The victims of inadequate structural
safety are existing owners.

Like those who died about 3 years ago in Gujarat.

I am not aiming to launch a massive retrofitting effort. I
hope a few key
demonstrations can take place so that issue gets its due in
the national agenda.

regards,

Dhirendra Tripathi

skjain@iitk.ac.in wrote:

Quote:
Dear Colleagues:

I agree generally with the discussions on this topic on SEFI.
I want to add only one point:

When we thnk of earthquake safety, we immediately think of the huge task
of seismic retrofitting of a huge stock of deficient constructions. I feel
our priority should be to ensure that in next three years we reach a
point, where say 90% of ALL new constructions in the country will comply
with seismic safety standards.

If we cannot ensure eartqhuake safety of a new building being built today,
it will be candidate for retrofitting tomorrow. And, it is much easier and
cheaper to ensure safety features in a new building.

Best regards,

Sudhir Jain

There are far too many such potential earthquake disaster prone sites in
India.
Pray that no damaging earthquakes occur near such so called
Non-Engineered structures.
I also predict a lot of damages - in the event of major earthquake - to
so called Engineered Structures, particularly to the present form of
multi-storeyed buidings with nearly open area at ground level for
parking purposes
.
The suburban housing, say, such as in California is mainly of wooden
construction
and hence do not collapse and loss of life is minimal.

I agree about educating the community. I understand UNDP in India
is planning pilot projects in several towns in zones V, IV and III

The main problem will be " who will foot the bill for strengthening
existing structures".

However, we could and should have better plans for reacting to
Post Disaster Actions.

Death due to Earthquake Disaster looks awful because it is concentrated
in a narrow region. We have lot more misery due to man-made
disasters due to traffic accidents or due to war and disease.

ARC
----- Original Message -----
From: <dhirendrat@gmail.com>
To: <prof.arc@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:36 PM
Subject: Bam


Quote:
Namaste All,

The recent earthquake at Bam in Iran again tragically
highlighted the fact that a high magnitude earthquake, in an
area where the human dwellings are woefully inadequate, at
the worst possible time of day can cause massive loss of
life.

Such was also the case at Latur in Maharashtra and the Bhuj
quake.

We clearly have a task at hand to :

* Identify potential Bhujs, Laturs and Bams.
* To make the populations living there aware of the grave
risks involved
* To offer them feasible solutions to bring down the risk
to acceptable levels.

I can understand that making persons aware and offering
solutions is not a straight forward thing. However
identifying potential Bhuj, Latur and Bams at least a
preliminary list is fairly doable. especially since our
membership is distributed over a vast geographical area.

Such an execise in any case would precede prioritized of a
awareness and solution campaign whenever that is arrived at.

I request members of this egroup to inform the group of
populations at grave risk from earthquakes wherever they
can. The location mentioned should be as specific as
possible, maybe a city, town, village or locality. It would
be good if perceived reasons for structural inadequacies are
included.

We have already had the name of Pathparganj in New Delhi
mentioned where persons maybe at higher than average
earthquake risk. We need a comprehensive database which
defines the  risk scenario based on :

* Likelihood of a major earthquake
* Size of population exposed to the risk of an earthquake
* Competency of existing structures in limiting loss of
life / property

with regards,

Dhirendra Tripathi









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