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State of structural engineering and the National Test

 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:24 pm    Post subject: State of structural engineering and the National Test Reply with quote

Dear Colleagues:

It is very well to discuss the various problems facing the profession
and the possible solutions. Some solutions are within our means while
others are not. The entire concept of SEFI is driven from the spirit
that we should take up what can be done at our level and not get bogged
down by things that others should be doing.
In fact, we created SEFI from this very issue and in less than two years
it has become an excellent platform for structural engineers to not only
discuss issues, but also to seek help from each other. We could do it by
ourselves without having to go to the government, clients or other stake
holders.

The National Test is being envisaged with the same spirit: we can do it
ourselves without waiting for the world to change. And, even though it
cannot solve all prblems of structural engineering profession, it can be
a step in that direction. If we keep taking small steps in the direction
of solving our own prblems, we will get stronger and will be able to
solve bigger and bigger chunks of our problems.

I therefore appeal to members to look at the proposal for National Test
with following limitations:

a) it is not being claimed that after the Test, all prblems will be solved.
b) The activity has to be such that we can do it ourselves without
waiting for someone from outside the community to give us money or
significant help.

Best regards,

Sudhir Jain
IITK

sdec@bol.net.in wrote:

Quote:
Dr Kalgal, there's no doubt about structural engineering being a worthy one
but alas we cant make it a wealthy avenue for them to pursue!Children these
days are in sure hurry to reach the top slot with all the good perks which r
offered so easily to other engg grads esp IT ,management and marketing.They
would go to any length to maintain a safe distance from Structural engineers
and str engineering and even take IAS to get away!More Moolah is needed to
attract them back into this game which is incidentally beginning to be hot
due to paucity of good structural engineers!
Sangeeta Wij
----- Original Message -----
Message From  <kalgal_mr@yahoo.com>
To: <sdec@bol.net.in>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: Daily Digest Fri Oct 8 23:00:02 2004




Quote:
Dear D. Jain,
Your idea of startng a SEFI organised national test for encouraging
students to select/stick to structural engineering is excellent. There
used to be a contest organised by National Design and Research Forum of
Institution of Engineers, which was popular. I do not know if that is
still on. May be this national test, if popularised well, will enthuse the
students.

I have observed that students take electives 'other than' stuctures due to
various misconceptions and also to score higher marks. After finishing
engineering, they find that it would have been wiser to have taken
structural engineering subjects. Even those who take up structures do not
study with interest and hence would  graduate with not enough 'in-depth'
knowledge.

Is it possible to form groups of SEFIans in various towns (successful
practicing engineers) who could visit various leading colleges and give an
informative as well as 'pep' talk? Why I am bringing this proposal is that
for this project we need 'well meaning' structural engineering friends and
not much of 'funding'. As for the students, 'seeing is believing'. If we
can impress upon them personally that structural engineering is a worthy
avenue to persue, then we can see to it that they study this subject with
interest.

Regards,
Dr. M. R. Kalgal
Gen. Manager - Tech.
BBR(India) Ltd.
Bangalore



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:35 pm    Post subject: State of structural engineering and the National Test Reply with quote

The idea is idealistic and harmless per se; hence everyone would welcome
it. Hence we have to look at the weak points and trouble shoot the idea!
Here are some points the Organizers may like to consider:
1) Some in AICTE may feel that their hunting field is getting encroached.

2) So long the numbers are small, no one may care.  But as the number of
examinees increase(>100) and in different cities (say>3), difficulties are
sure to crop up.

3)Money matters! Anything that is doled out free is despised, more so by
the knowledge industry. Academics need not be exceptions. A nominal fee
should be charged. The time of the persons involved should be compensated.
Otherwise quality will suffer and after the initial years enthusiasm may
wane.
4) The greatest weakness of such self-propelled systems is 'infantile
mortality'. The solution to this is well known, that is
institutionalization or formalization along with constant self-criticism.

5) In the long run somekind of registration and management of 'public
funds' is unavoidable. Better to factor these points in the beginning
itself.

RN Iyengar



On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 skjain@iitk.ac.in wrote:

Quote:
Dear Colleagues:

It is very well to discuss the various problems facing the profession
and the possible solutions. Some solutions are within our means while
others are not. The entire concept of SEFI is driven from the spirit
that we should take up what can be done at our level and not get bogged
down by things that others should be doing.
In fact, we created SEFI from this very issue and in less than two years
it has become an excellent platform for structural engineers to not only
discuss issues, but also to seek help from each other. We could do it by
ourselves without having to go to the government, clients or other stake
holders.

The National Test is being envisaged with the same spirit: we can do it
ourselves without waiting for the world to change. And, even though it
cannot solve all prblems of structural engineering profession, it can be
a step in that direction. If we keep taking small steps in the direction
of solving our own prblems, we will get stronger and will be able to
solve bigger and bigger chunks of our problems.

I therefore appeal to members to look at the proposal for National Test
with following limitations:

a) it is not being claimed that after the Test, all prblems will be solved.
b) The activity has to be such that we can do it ourselves without
waiting for someone from outside the community to give us money or
significant help.

Best regards,

Sudhir Jain
IITK

sdec@bol.net.in wrote:

Dr Kalgal, there's no doubt about structural engineering being a worthy one
but alas we cant make it a wealthy avenue for them to pursue!Children these
days are in sure hurry to reach the top slot with all the good perks which r
offered so easily to other engg grads esp IT ,management and marketing.They
would go to any length to maintain a safe distance from Structural engineers
and str engineering and even take IAS to get away!More Moolah is needed to
attract them back into this game which is incidentally beginning to be hot
due to paucity of good structural engineers!
Sangeeta Wij
----- Original Message -----
Message From  <kalgal_mr@yahoo.com>
To: <sdec@bol.net.in>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: Daily Digest Fri Oct 8 23:00:02 2004




Quote:
Dear D. Jain,
Your idea of startng a SEFI organised national test for encouraging
students to select/stick to structural engineering is excellent. There
used to be a contest organised by National Design and Research Forum of
Institution of Engineers, which was popular. I do not know if that is
still on. May be this national test, if popularised well, will enthuse the
students.

I have observed that students take electives 'other than' stuctures due to
various misconceptions and also to score higher marks. After finishing
engineering, they find that it would have been wiser to have taken
structural engineering subjects. Even those who take up structures do not
study with interest and hence would  graduate with not enough 'in-depth'
knowledge.

Is it possible to form groups of SEFIans in various towns (successful
practicing engineers) who could visit various leading colleges and give an
informative as well as 'pep' talk? Why I am bringing this proposal is that
for this project we need 'well meaning' structural engineering friends and
not much of 'funding'. As for the students, 'seeing is believing'. If we
can impress upon them personally that structural engineering is a worthy
avenue to persue, then we can see to it that they study this subject with
interest.

Regards,
Dr. M. R. Kalgal
Gen. Manager - Tech.
BBR(India) Ltd.
Bangalore



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