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Daily Digest Tue Nov 23 23:00:03 2004

 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:05 pm    Post subject: Daily Digest Tue Nov 23 23:00:03 2004 Reply with quote

Dear SEFIans
This has reference to Er. Suraj Singh's comments on Engineering Council of India. I have my own queries/opinions which are as follows:
1. What is the basis for saying that "no other authority in India except IEI is authorized to register Engineers in general"? Is the Royal Charter issued by the then British Govt. still valid after independence?
2. In view of the fact that the proposed ECI is a body composed of several consulting engineers' association and also ICI as well as IEI, how can a statement be made that "All those invalid & unconstitutional certificates are issued to maintain the ego of IAS lobby"?
3. The "Engineers' Bill" is proposed to be passed to give the constitutional powers to ECI so that the statement "Constitution does not empower any one to chart out such certificates" will not be valid.
5. What is required today is "accountablility" along with the need to adhere to "Code of Ethics", which can be enforced only when there is a provision to withdraw PE status disabling the engineer from practicing as a consultant.
4. The PE status issued presently by IEI is not as per the norms laid down by the international "Engineers Mobility Forum"(EMF).
5. It may be recalled that IEI along with ECI went and submitted the detailed document prepared by ECI  (in Australia I think) and has been empowered to grant PE certificate under the revised norms and will be under "observation" for a period of 2 years or so before EMF recognises India. Once the recognition is given, the PEs from our country can practice in all the countries who are signatories of EMF.
Mr. Mahendra Raj, Mr. Mehrotra, Mr. Javahar Kaul, Mr. Rathnavel and others have really strucggled and are struggling to make this happen. May be Ms. Sangeetha Wij can throw more light.

Dr. M. R. Kalgal




          
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:00 pm    Post subject: Daily Digest Tue Nov 23 23:00:03 2004 Reply with quote

Dear SEFIans,

I found the exchange of comments on Engineers Bill very
amusing and interesting.

The Draft Bill has been on the  ECI site for quite some time now
and it has arrived in its present state after several lengthy
deliberations and discussions.
Royal Charter clause was not there initially but
because of the fact that Instn of Engineers India  is
the only body that has presently got provisional
membership of Engineers Mobility Forum, this fact had to be
recognised.
However in continuation of the clause 2.2 , it is
mentioned that several professional societies have come up since 1935
and this fact can not be ignored. Presently IEI has been carrying on
issuance of PE licence as well as conduct AMIE exams, which are
recognised as equivalent to graduate in engineering.
In any case present ECI is a body of 24
professional non statutory bodies including IEI. Once the Bill is passed,
it becomes an Act of Parliamnet and the ECI Board will have to be
reconstituted
accordingly. Subsequently ECI would get the EMF membership.The Royal
Charter has not been repealed by any Act of Parliament so far as far as I
know.

Dr. Kalgal is very correct in stating that Accountability is the need of the
hour
alongwith following a Code of Ethics. Competence comes not from education
alone but with experience and there is no substitute for experience. This is
the
fact that Engineers Licencing has to recognise by ensuring adequate
experience
as well.
PE licence certificate issued by IEI does not meet WTO requirenments, I
think.
Validity of certificates already issued by existing organisations do not
necessarily
certify competence and accountability.

Mr. Ratnavel and Mr. Mehrotra being members of ECI governing council , can
corroborate what I have said and add more.

V.P.Agarwal

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:32 am    Post subject: Daily Digest Tue Nov 23 23:00:03 2004 Reply with quote

Hello
I would like to contact A.R.Chandrasekharan for my theisis work.so plz kindly reply me with thier email adress .

ishacon@vsnl.net wrote:
Dear SEFIans,

I found the exchange of comments on Engineers Bill very
amusing and interesting.

The Draft Bill has been on the ECI site for quite some time now
and it has arrived in its present state after several lengthy
deliberations and discussions.
Royal Charter clause was not there initially but
because of the fact that Instn of Engineers India is
the only body that has presently got provisional
membership of Engineers Mobility Forum, this fact had to be
recognised.
However in continuation of the clause 2.2 , it is
mentioned that several professional societies have come up since 1935
and this fact can not be ignored. Presently IEI has been carrying on
issuance of PE licence as well as conduct AMIE exams, which are
recognised as equivalent to graduate in engineering.
In any case present ECI is a body of 24
professional non statutory bodies including IEI. Once the Bill is passed,
it becomes an Act of Parliamnet and the ECI Board will have to be
reconstituted
accordingly. Subsequently ECI would get the EMF membership.The Royal
Charter has not been repealed by any Act of Parliament so far as far as I
know.

Dr. Kalgal is very correct in stating that Accountability is the need of the
hour
alongwith following a Code of Ethics. Competence comes not from education
alone but with experience and there is no substitute for experience. This is
the
fact that Engineers Licencing has to recognise by ensuring adequate
experience
as well.
PE licence certificate issued by IEI does not meet WTO requirenments, I
think.
Validity of certificates already issued by existing organisations do not
necessarily
certify competence and accountability.

Mr. Ratnavel and Mr. Mehrotra being members of ECI governing council , can
corroborate what I have said and add more.

V.P.Agarwal

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