www.sefindia.org

STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING FORUM OF INDIA [SEFI]

 Forum SubscriptionsSubscriptions DigestDigest Preferences   FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups  RegisterRegister FAQSecurity Tips FAQDonate
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log in to websiteLog in to websiteLog in to websiteLog in to forum 
Warning: Make sure you scan the downloaded attachment with updated antivirus tools  before opening them. They may contain viruses.
Use online scanners
here and here to upload downloaded attachment to check for safety.

Strengthning of RC beam using steel plates

 
Post new topicReply to topic Thank Post    www.sefindia.org Forum Index -> SEFI General Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
subhashgandha
SEFI Regulars
SEFI Regulars


Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 37

PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:48 pm    Post subject: Strengthning of RC beam using steel plates Reply with quote

Resp. Sirs,

I have to strengthen some beams of a only 5 years old G+4, RCC framed building. The building is not designed by me. Structural drawings of majority of beams available. Apparently it seems that many beams have less reinforcement than required. In some of the large beams, minor shear and flexure cracks are visible.

The client wants large beams to be strengthen by steel plates. He is not ready to adopt any other technique. He is okay with either epoxy grout or steel plates but more inclined to plates.

Can anyone guide me how to design steel plates to strengthen an existing RC beam for both shear and flexure. Or kindly suggest some literature/book.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Thankful People
1 user(s) is/are thankful for this post.
kunalkansara
General Sponsor
General Sponsor


Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 196

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Subhash

I'm not sure on what extent the building detailing is deficient. Steel plating is not a bad idea per say, but it is not as simple as it sounds. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems your client is taking the issue a bit too casually. Also, the strengthening design needs to be carried out (and of course independently vetted) by the experienced engineers with specific training, knowledge and expertise in structural strengthening.

Haphazard strengthening can be dangerous. For example, a beam strengthened for flexure has increased risk of failing under shear. So often such beams needs to be strengthened in shear complimentarily even if they were originally not deficient in shear. Steel plating could be effective in flexural strengthening, but their effectiveness in shear is questionable.

It also depends on the strength of concrete and possibility of effectively attaching steel plates on the beams. Often the steel plates needs to be bolted into the soffits, so it is partially intrusive method.

The use of FRP for such applications is way more effective and appropriate than steel plating.

Im accessing this website through phone as I'm on vacation at the moment, so can't write details on how to design for strengthening. But if you wish, please send the  details of the structure and I might be able to help you with the design.

Kind regards
Kunal
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
subhashgandha
SEFI Regulars
SEFI Regulars


Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 37

PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kunalkansara wrote:
Dear Subhash

I'm not sure on what extent the building detailing is deficient. Steel plating is not a bad idea per say, but it is not as simple as it sounds. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems your client is taking the issue a bit too casually. Also, the strengthening design needs to be carried out (and of course independently vetted) by the experienced engineers with specific training, knowledge and expertise in structural strengthening.

Haphazard strengthening can be dangerous. For example, a beam strengthened for flexure has increased risk of failing under shear. So often such beams needs to be strengthened in shear complimentarily even if they were originally not deficient in shear. Steel plating could be effective in flexural strengthening, but their effectiveness in shear is questionable.

It also depends on the strength of concrete and possibility of effectively attaching steel plates on the beams. Often the steel plates needs to be bolted into the soffits, so it is partially intrusive method.

The use of FRP for such applications is way more effective and appropriate than steel plating.

Im accessing this website through phone as I'm on vacation at the moment, so can't write details on how to design for strengthening. But if you wish, please send the  details of the structure and I might be able to help you with the design.

Kind regards
Kunal
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
subhashgandha
SEFI Regulars
SEFI Regulars


Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 37

PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Resp. Krunal Sir,
Thank you very much for the technical reply. My technical knowledge and experience in this regard is very less (almost NIL) compared to yours but I also was worried in the same way as you. But ultimately the client is ready to adopt glass/carbon wrapping (FRP) system.

The wrapping agency will study the existing structural condition with some NDTs, suggest a suitable retrofitting method (in due consultation with me) and execute the work.

But still I am very much interested in designing steel plates for strengthening the existing RCC members. Kindly guide me.

Subhash Gandha
M.Tech. (Structures)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
edward_jade
SEFI Member
SEFI Member


Joined: 01 Aug 2016
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi sir kunal,


been through that situation of mr. subhashgandha, but i insisted to our management that appropriate professionals shall be employed in addressing our situation because at that moment i'm not well verse in the scenario, they heeded, and moved me to other projects. i was very interested that time with regards to the approach of strengthening our structure but unfortunately i was not in the room for learning. could you give me some reference books or materials pertaining to approaching those kind of retrofittings. thank you.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jai1231
SEFI Member
SEFI Member


Joined: 03 Aug 2018
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:30 am    Post subject: Strengthning of RC beam using steel plates Reply with quote

Please go ahead thorugh Retrofitting Process.I think this is much better than steel plate

*Best Regards.
Jaikishan Rai
Design Engineer*
*Mob - +91 8285045031*
*Stay Fit Stay Healthy*
*Save Paper Save Environment*






On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 at 23:04, subhashgandha <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

Quote:
           Resp. Sirs,

I have to strengthen some beams of a only 5 years old G+4, RCC framed building. The building is not designed by me. Structural drawings of majority of beams available. Apparently it seems that many beams have less reinforcement than required. In some of the large beams, minor shear and flexure cracks are visible.

The client wants large beams to be strengthen by steel plates. He is not ready to adopt any other technique. He is okay with either epoxy grout or steel plates but more inclined to plates.

Can anyone guide me how to design steel plates to strengthen an existing RC beam for both shear and flexure. Or kindly suggest some literature/book.
     



     


Posted via Email
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
B.S.VIRDI
SEFI Member
SEFI Member


Joined: 02 Jan 2009
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:30 am    Post subject: Strengthning of RC beam using steel plates Reply with quote

It is better to rehabilitate beams with carbon fibre raping

Sent from my iPhone

On 21-Aug-2018, at 7:18 PM, subhashgandha <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:


Quote:
           Resp. Sirs,

I have to strengthen some beams of a only 5 years old G+4, RCC framed building. The building is not designed by me. Structural drawings of majority of beams available. Apparently it seems that many beams have less reinforcement than required. In some of the large beams, minor shear and flexure cracks are visible.

The client wants large beams to be strengthen by steel plates. He is not ready to adopt any other technique. He is okay with either epoxy grout or steel plates but more inclined to plates.

Can anyone guide me how to design steel plates to strengthen an existing RC beam for both shear and flexure. Or kindly suggest some literature/book.
     



     


Posted via Email
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kunalkansara
General Sponsor
General Sponsor


Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 196

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Subhash and Edward

I will write separately in due course on this. Kindly pardon the delay, and I hope this will be ok with you both as the matter is now for understanding only!

Kind regards
Kunal

PS: Kindly refrain from using Sir or respected etc suffixes and prefixes at least while referring to me. I would appreciate if you refer to me solely by my first name, ideally. Let the new generation of Engineers break the orthodox VIP culture and practices that is suffocating India for a pretty long time! I hope you will find it more convenient. Thanks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
subhashgandha
SEFI Regulars
SEFI Regulars


Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 37

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Kunal, (hope you allow atleast the word Dear).
Thank you very much for the interest taken. If you prefer, and possible also, You can email any material/reference etc.., to me on parthcon@gmail.com.

P.S. : We are Indians and right from the childhood we are trained and happy to address others with Sir, Respected etc... and secondly you are far richer both in knowledge & experience so you are a "Respected GURUJI" to us and we will be happy to call you that but ultimately at your wish we will not address you in that way, but atleast just allow us to call you Dear. Simply call you Kunal do not suits...This is my wish.......Thanks
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topicReply to topic Thank Post    www.sefindia.org Forum Index -> SEFI General Discussion All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


© 2003, 2008 SEFINDIA, Indian Domain Registration
Publishing or acceptance of an advertisement is neither a guarantee nor endorsement of the advertiser's product or service. advertisement policy