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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:30 am    Post subject: An open letter to ICJ Reply with quote

Dear Ms Pande:

Thanks for your mail. I appreciate your response and believe this is a step in the right direction.  
I will once again reiterate that there is no short cut to having a full time editor who is a specialist in this field. And please review your subscription policy. The least you should do is have a full disclosure of what an subscription means since it is not in accordance to permissions in standard subscriptions.  

As a community we will want to give you time to get yourselves reorganised. We will certainly want to extend our full support but we will want to see results.  

Best regards,
Alpa Sheth  

From: priyanka_pande [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]
Sent: 22 August 2019 11:19
To: general@sefindia.org
Subject: [SEFI] Re: An open letter to ICJ



Dear Ms. Alpa Sheth

My team and I, acknowledge your email and your inputs to improve the Indian Concrete Journal.
Over last few months we have received tremendous support from our readers, subscribers, authors and our reviewers. We extend our gratitude to each one of you for your solidarity and steadfast support.



We take all inputs shared by you seriously and in positive spirit. We are pleased to share that at the Indian Concrete Journal we are making every effort to enhance process, technology and content with an aim to move forward and adapt to the evolving needs of our readers.


In this year itself we have revamped the website to make it easier for subscribers to pay online and get access to not just the currently year's subscription but also access the archives. We have revamped the design of our print copies to make for better reading experience.


We have worked tirelessly on reducing the time for manuscripts to be to reviewed and published. From allowing online submission of manuscripts to introduction of monthly newsletter with excerpts of all papers, the ICJ has made its content more accessible to a wider audience.


Since early this year, we have introduced guest editors. Contrary to the suggestion this is a move to instill greater rigor than before in improving the quality of content.


Our guest editors are academicians and practitioners from the best institutes in the country. Further, we are proud to be associated with names such as Dr. Vasant Matsagar, Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Delhi, Dr. Pasala Dinkar, Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Bhubaneshwar, and Dr. Manu Santhanam, Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Madras to name just a few of these guest editors. We assure you of both, their interest and expertise in the subject matter.


A wide list of the reviewers can be found at our website where we gratefully acknowledge the hard-work of eminent subject matter experts.


We are happy to receive your recommendations and suggestions that will enable the Indian Concrete Journal to thrive as well as craft a new exciting future.
You can write to us directly at : editor@icjonline.com (info@icjonline.com (info@icjonline.com)), alternatively please do share your contact number privately and we will connect with you promptly to address your grievances and take suitable actions towards your feedback.


Best Regards,
Editor ICJ









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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: An open letter to ICJ Reply with quote

I appreciate the positivity which the new team of ICJ has shown to the query raised by respected Alpa maam...

Many were appreciating the earlier team of ICJ and they are saying that the new team is in the verge of downfall.I think we should give them time ...they are a new team and they are the one who has revived  ICJ ,otherwise we would not have this forum anymore...

Let me share my experience with earlier team of ICJ. I dont have any grudge on the institution but rather it is on the individual.

I have submitted a paper to ICJ some three years back.
They took almost 2 years to review the paper and after my repeated remainder they give a single comment that they cannot publish the paper..I asked them what is the reason that my paper was rejected...
They said there is a mistake in the paper..I asked them to tell us where was the mistake in the paper ...if there is mistake in paper we will withdraw it...unfortunately they could not point out the mistake..and they  merely rejected the paper after taking two years time...a lot of calculation was done to arrive at design tables ,but they never asked for any calculation,literature,clarification etc.

That day I realize that if somebody does not have any name or higher degrees..nobody will acknowledge your work..and after this i stopped writing papers.Earlier I have team up with my SEFI friends to author few seminar papers.I wanted to publish  a journal paper,but failed.

We generated design tables for water retaining structure for members subjected to bending,tension and bending combined with tension in line with the book of RD Anchor which was as per British code and our was as per IS code.However RD Anchor's design tables was for member subjected to bending alone...but we tried to include the member subjected to tension and combination of tension and bending.


later What we did ..since i had a co author with me and we  dont want to let go our  hard work futile ...we publish the paper in Institution of Engineer's seminar..

And i put it in researchgate and the response was  vociferous.People are viewing it from every nooks and corner of the world..The link is


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326587858_Design_tables_for_Liquid_retaining_structure_as_per_IS_3370

  
Everybody has the right to express ..i expressed my views..and  i applozise if i have hurt the feeling of veteran ICJ team who are the gem of civil engineering fraternity.

Regards
S Adhikari

  











priyanka_pande wrote:
Dear Ms. Alpa Sheth

My team and I, acknowledge your email and your inputs to improve the Indian Concrete Journal.  
Over last few months we have received tremendous support from our readers, subscribers, authors and our reviewers. We extend our gratitude to each one of you for your solidarity and steadfast support.  



We take all inputs shared by you seriously and in positive spirit. We are pleased to share that at the Indian Concrete Journal we are making every effort to enhance process, technology and content with an aim to move forward and adapt to the evolving needs of our readers.  


In this year itself we have revamped the website to make it easier for subscribers to pay online and get access to not just the currently year's subscription but also access the archives. We have revamped the design of our print copies to make for better reading experience.


We have worked tirelessly on reducing the time for manuscripts to be to reviewed and published. From allowing online submission of manuscripts to introduction of monthly newsletter with excerpts of all papers, the ICJ has made its content more accessible to a wider audience.


Since early this year, we have introduced guest editors. Contrary to the suggestion this is a move to instill greater rigor than before in improving the quality of content.


Our guest editors are academicians and practitioners from the best institutes in the country. Further, we are proud to be associated with names such as Dr. Vasant Matsagar, Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Delhi, Dr. Pasala Dinkar,  Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Bhubaneshwar, and Dr. Manu Santhanam,   Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Madras to name just a few of these guest editors. We assure you of both, their interest and expertise in the subject matter.


A wide list of the reviewers can be found at our website where we gratefully acknowledge the hard-work of eminent subject matter experts.


We are happy to receive your recommendations and suggestions that will enable the Indian Concrete Journal to thrive as well as craft a new exciting future.
You can write to us directly at :  editor@icjonline.com (info@icjonline.com), alternatively please do share your contact number privately and we will connect with you promptly to address your grievances and take suitable actions towards your feedback.


Best Regards,
Editor ICJ









On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 18:30, alpa_sheth <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:

Quote:
            To

Indian Concrete Journal

August 19, 2019

An Open Letter to ICJ

Dear Sir/Madam:

I would have liked to address this letter to the editor but
unfortunately, there is no name or title listed as editor in the ICJ
journal. The journals are being edited by obliging guest editors on ad
hoc basis, who sometimes have no demonstrated expertise or interest in
the subject.

Many of us have a long association with ICJ as readers,
subscribers, authors, reviewers. It was the go-to place to read an
interesting paper, article or note and also a place where we would
write something of topical interest or submit a scholarly piece. I
remember having interesting discussions and debates with past editors.
Sometimes we would comment that there too much emphasis on concrete as
a material and too little on analysis and design; sometimes we would
complain of the reverse. But it was always very engaging and vibrant.
In the past decade or so, the discussions waned until there was no one
left to talk to.

In the recent past, when the journal was under threat of being closed
down, many of us had discussions on how to keep it going. ICJ is not
just a journal, it is an institution. It belongs to the entire
community of civil engineers and concrete technologists. I think the
role of the publisher is that of a facilitator. I do not believe that
ICJ has ever been run as a 'business' (it would likely not have been
viable) but more as a contribution of an organisation to the
community.

I am therefore deeply disappointed when I see that ICJ does not allow
you to even download the journal when you have an e-subscription. All
you can do is read it online. I find this so bizarre were it not so
shocking since even Netflix which is an all-commercial movie site
allows you to download movies and watch them offline. And most
newspapers, magazines and other for-profit publications allow you to
download articles (or at least copy and paste them) if you are a paid
e-subscriber.

I'm sorry, ICJ, but I have no option other than to ask you to cancel
my subscription. I do not wish to patronise such sharp practices. At
SEFI we believe in information and knowledge dissemination. It appears
that the objectives of ICJ have changed over time. That is a pity.
Kindly reconsider them. You will earn tremendous goodwill if you
change or rather revert to an earlier way of being- A solid editor, a
strong editorial and review team and an attitude of sharing knowledge.
Trust me, you will attract far more subscribers than you presently
have!

Best regards,

Alpa Sheth
     



     



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: An open letter to ICJ Reply with quote

Dear All,

First of all I thank our Er. Alpa for expressing her difficulties with respect to downloading papers from ICJ, even if someone is a registered user and also regarding a qualified editor to ICJ. For the first time I am seeing the name of a person (Ms.  Priyanka Pande) from the present editorial team (though she signed as Editor of ICJ, I used to get emails without any name)!

I am associated with ICJ from 1974 as subscriber, author as well as Reviewer (I also Guest edited April 2014 issue of ICJ on Future Concretes). ICJ even published the Short Biography under the ‘People’ Column in May 2012 issue of ICJ. But when I wrote to the new ICJ Team, they did not even recognize my name! In fact, I was getting complementary copies of ICJ both at my Indian address and USA Address-Both were stopped, though I received the Nov. 2017 issue in my USA address! Though my photo is missing in their
list of the reviewers at ICJ website, I still review papers for ICJ.



I am happy to note that
Ms.  Priyanka Pande of ICJ has responded to the message of Er Alpa in this forum itself, as 1000s of SEFI members may be subscribers of ICJ also.

As Er Alpa has rightly stated let us give Ms.  Priyanka Pande and her team to give time reorganize. Meanwhile I wish to appreciate the New ICJ team for revamping the ICJ Website and archiving all old issues from 1947! But previously the Opinion and few other papers were downloadable, I do not see them now. Every thing is priced!

Finally regarding Er Sukanta Adhikari's experience that he had to wait for 2 years for his paper to be published in ICJ is strange! They usually (Old team) give 1 month time for us to send the comments(The new team is giving one to two weeks only).  They used to send the reviewer's comments also. It is not that only papers from known persons only are published in ICJ. I have seen papers from people with B.E. Degree also. I think his is an unique experience! But glad to know that he published it in IEI conference and that the Researchgate link s viewed and appriciated by many from across the globe. (Thank you Er Sukanta for giving the ResearchGate Link here!)

Warm regards and Happy Krishna Janmashtami to all !

Subramanian

sukanta.adhikari wrote:
I appreciate the positivity which the new team of ICJ has shown to the query raised by respected Alpa maam...

Many were appreciating the earlier team of ICJ and they are saying that the new team is in the verge of downfall.I think we should give them time ...they are a new team and they are the one who has revived  ICJ ,otherwise we would not have this forum anymore...

Let me share my experience with earlier team of ICJ. I dont have any grudge on the institution but rather it is on the individual.

I have submitted a paper to ICJ some three years back.
They took almost 2 years to review the paper and after my repeated remainder they give a single comment that they cannot publish the paper..I asked them what is the reason that my paper was rejected...
They said there is a mistake in the paper..I asked them to tell us where was the mistake in the paper ...if there is mistake in paper we will withdraw it...unfortunately they could not point out the mistake..and they  merely rejected the paper after taking two years time...a lot of calculation was done to arrive at design tables ,but they never asked for any calculation,literature,clarification etc.

That day I realize that if somebody does not have any name or higher degrees..nobody will acknowledge your work..and after this i stopped writing papers.Earlier I have team up with my SEFI friends to author few seminar papers.I wanted to publish  a journal paper,but failed.

We generated design tables for water retaining structure for members subjected to bending,tension and bending combined with tension in line with the book of RD Anchor which was as per British code and our was as per IS code.However RD Anchor's design tables was for member subjected to bending alone...but we tried to include the member subjected to tension and combination of tension and bending.


later What we did ..since i had a co author with me and we  dont want to let go our  hard work futile ...we publish the paper in Institution of Engineer's seminar..

And i put it in researchgate and the response was  vociferous.People are viewing it from every nooks and corner of the world..The link is


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326587858_Design_tables_for_Liquid_retaining_structure_as_per_IS_3370

  
Everybody has the right to express ..i expressed my views..and  i applozise if i have hurt the feeling of veteran ICJ team who are the gem of civil engineering fraternity.

Regards
S Adhikari

  











priyanka_pande wrote:
Dear Ms. Alpa Sheth

My team and I, acknowledge your email and your inputs to improve the Indian Concrete Journal.  
Over last few months we have received tremendous support from our readers, subscribers, authors and our reviewers. We extend our gratitude to each one of you for your solidarity and steadfast support.  



We take all inputs shared by you seriously and in positive spirit. We are pleased to share that at the Indian Concrete Journal we are making every effort to enhance process, technology and content with an aim to move forward and adapt to the evolving needs of our readers.  


In this year itself we have revamped the website to make it easier for subscribers to pay online and get access to not just the currently year's subscription but also access the archives. We have revamped the design of our print copies to make for better reading experience.


We have worked tirelessly on reducing the time for manuscripts to be to reviewed and published. From allowing online submission of manuscripts to introduction of monthly newsletter with excerpts of all papers, the ICJ has made its content more accessible to a wider audience.


Since early this year, we have introduced guest editors. Contrary to the suggestion this is a move to instill greater rigor than before in improving the quality of content.


Our guest editors are academicians and practitioners from the best institutes in the country. Further, we are proud to be associated with names such as Dr. Vasant Matsagar, Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Delhi, Dr. Pasala Dinkar,  Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Bhubaneshwar, and Dr. Manu Santhanam,   Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Madras to name just a few of these guest editors. We assure you of both, their interest and expertise in the subject matter.


A wide list of the reviewers can be found at our website where we gratefully acknowledge the hard-work of eminent subject matter experts.


We are happy to receive your recommendations and suggestions that will enable the Indian Concrete Journal to thrive as well as craft a new exciting future.
You can write to us directly at :  editor@icjonline.com (info@icjonline.com), alternatively please do share your contact number privately and we will connect with you promptly to address your grievances and take suitable actions towards your feedback.


Best Regards,
Editor ICJ









On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 18:30, alpa_sheth <forum> wrote:

Quote:
            To

Indian Concrete Journal

August 19, 2019

An Open Letter to ICJ

Dear Sir/Madam:

I would have liked to address this letter to the editor but
unfortunately, there is no name or title listed as editor in the ICJ
journal. The journals are being edited by obliging guest editors on ad
hoc basis, who sometimes have no demonstrated expertise or interest in
the subject.

Many of us have a long association with ICJ as readers,
subscribers, authors, reviewers. It was the go-to place to read an
interesting paper, article or note and also a place where we would
write something of topical interest or submit a scholarly piece. I
remember having interesting discussions and debates with past editors.
Sometimes we would comment that there too much emphasis on concrete as
a material and too little on analysis and design; sometimes we would
complain of the reverse. But it was always very engaging and vibrant.
In the past decade or so, the discussions waned until there was no one
left to talk to.

In the recent past, when the journal was under threat of being closed
down, many of us had discussions on how to keep it going. ICJ is not
just a journal, it is an institution. It belongs to the entire
community of civil engineers and concrete technologists. I think the
role of the publisher is that of a facilitator. I do not believe that
ICJ has ever been run as a 'business' (it would likely not have been
viable) but more as a contribution of an organisation to the
community.

I am therefore deeply disappointed when I see that ICJ does not allow
you to even download the journal when you have an e-subscription. All
you can do is read it online. I find this so bizarre were it not so
shocking since even Netflix which is an all-commercial movie site
allows you to download movies and watch them offline. And most
newspapers, magazines and other for-profit publications allow you to
download articles (or at least copy and paste them) if you are a paid
e-subscriber.

I'm sorry, ICJ, but I have no option other than to ask you to cancel
my subscription. I do not wish to patronise such sharp practices. At
SEFI we believe in information and knowledge dissemination. It appears
that the objectives of ICJ have changed over time. That is a pity.
Kindly reconsider them. You will earn tremendous goodwill if you
change or rather revert to an earlier way of being- A solid editor, a
strong editorial and review team and an attitude of sharing knowledge.
Trust me, you will attract far more subscribers than you presently
have!

Best regards,

Alpa Sheth
     



     



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Ms. Alpa Sheth and Sefians,

I totally agree with the views expressed by Ms. Alpa on the recent change over in the current running of  ICJ as compared to the earlier one.  Like many who have written on this subject in this column, I too have pleasant memories with the earlier ICJ since early 1990s.  I had great interaction with their former editors Mr. B.V.B. Pai and Mr. V.R. Kulkarni and their editorial assistant Mr. Ullahas  Fernandes.

I have contributed to ICJ by writing technical papers, letters to the editor, point of view, and as a Reviewer.  The photos of 141m high hyperbolic cooling tower at Panipat and 100m high Kohima Tower for which I have done the structural design, have been published on the cover page of ICJ with technical paper of the same published inside. I have written Guest Editorial in February 1996 issue of ICJ on the subject of 'Structural systems for tall buildings'.  I have drawn over 200 cartoons for ICJ, in issues from 1992 to 2011, under the heading 'Believe it or not' thanks to the encouragement given by Mr. Pai and Mr. Kulkarni.  May be, with more than 200 issues, I am the single largest contributor to ICJ. All these, I keep them as a treasure of my profile, thanks to ICJ.

I trust that ICJ will consider in true spirits to change the present attitude and revert to the earlier one.  Lately, I find that the Journal is publishing more of research papers on strength and materials of concrete, and hardly any paper is published on practical design and construction projects.  ICJ should try to cater for all classes of their readers.

With best wishes,

N. Prabhakar
Chartered Structural Engineer
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