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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Push over analysis and softwares... Reply with quote

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Dear Dr Jain,
boss u are right, pl bear with me when i complain-- where is the time, money
and client worth investing where our own Structural Association members are
quoting shockingly low prices(can u beat it--70p per sq ft including wetting
from IIT--dont worry, IIT Delhi!)
ab batao, kya maine galat kaha?
P.s.I met Alpa (for the first time!) in Bangalore where I presented my first
ever paper on EQ engg based on IS Codes with Case studies.I actally spoke
impromptu for sixty odd minutes before showing powerpoint for the rest half
an hour and the whole thing put together was something of a hit,quite
unexpectedly.Many people knew about SEFI were aware of my frequent
comments, the rest will soon become members(thanks to my address and of
course Alpas v dynamic paper the next day).I also told them abt Nicee.org
and everyone quite liked the way SEFI has been managed so far and were also
quite enthusiastic abt the national test.
bye for now and regards
Sangeeta
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To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:20 PM
Subject: Push over analysis and softwares...


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Dear Amit, Vipul, Sangeeta and others:

The push over analysis is not such a big deal in terms of software. For
instance, the SAP2000 is one of the well-respected software that also
has good capabilities for push over analysis. After the Gujarat
earthquake on my suggestion, the firm CSI had agreed to provide this
software at a fraction of their regular price to Indian engineers and
many colleagues in the country indeed bought the software.

The main thing is:

a) Push over analysis require considerable amount of understanding of
the subject by the analyst. A large numer of assumptions are needed, and
member response curves are to be provided to the programme before it can
analyze. Hence, it is really a question about Indian structural firms
investing on the training of their engineers. My own impressions are
that many very good firms in India unfortunately do not consider
training to be useful. This could be because they do not realise the
need for training because they are doing roaring business anyway, or it
could be that the training quality in our country leaves much to be
desired. It is a universal fact that in the name of training workshops,
anything goes.

b) As of now, one does not expect push over analysis to be used for
design of new buildings; certainly not the ordinary buildings. However,
it is emerging as a very important tool for assessment of safety of
existing buildings and for retrofitting of the same. Unfortunately,
serious efforts by Indian structural firms towards retrofitting jobs
have been lacking: this is evident in Gujarat where a major opportunity
has been lost after the 2001 earthquake for some good retrofitting work.
In fact, I am told that in some of the large contracts by the Govt of
Gujarat, some large structural firms otherwise well respected have given
rather simplistic and general recommendations for retrofitting of
buildings without backing these with any calculations or design
philosophy.

My recommendation is that we all should collectively decide to improve
the state of the practice and for that we need to invest in training of
our people. As we do better quality of work, it will be possible to
charge more money for our services (I know Sangeeta will complain that
clients are not willing to pay!).

Best regards,

Sudhir


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: No Title Reply with quote

skjain@iitk.ac.in wrote: Dear Sangeeta:

We had a lot of discussions on the state of structural engineering in
the August 2002 workshop organized by NICEE and I will restrain from
writing too much on this issue. However, I cannot resist from stating
the following:

a) Consultants are in the "knowledge business". Improving the product,
that is "knowledge and skills", has to be unconditional: regardless of
what someone pays for services, you have to strive to give the best
possible services.

b) In view of the above, investment in capacity building of your own
firm is the best way to not only grow professionally but also to charge
higher rates for your services.

b) Indian engineers cannot survive in global economy by using the
arguments such as client is not paying, architects do not pay....They
must be as good, or better, as their peers elsewhere.

c) While there may be consultants charging Rs 0.70 per sq. feet, I am
sure there are other consultants who are charging Rs 7.00 per sq feet.
One has to decide one's own placement in the profession. Having superior
services is the best way to go up in the value chain.

I will close here and hope that SEFI members in general and SEFI as a
forum does not take the pessimistic view that we cannot improve since
our fees is low.

Best regards,

Sudhir Jain

sdec@bol.net.in wrote:

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Dear Dr Jain,
boss u are right, pl bear with me when i complain-- where is the time, money
and client worth investing where our own Structural Association members are
quoting shockingly low prices(can u beat it--70p per sq ft including wetting
from IIT--dont worry, IIT Delhi!)
ab batao, kya maine galat kaha?
P.s.I met Alpa (for the first time!) in Bangalore where I presented my first
ever paper on EQ engg based on IS Codes with Case studies.I actally spoke
impromptu for sixty odd minutes before showing powerpoint for the rest half
an hour and the whole thing put together was something of a hit,quite
unexpectedly.Many people knew about SEFI were aware of my frequent
comments, the rest will soon become members(thanks to my address and of
course Alpas v dynamic paper the next day).I also told them abt Nicee.org
and everyone quite liked the way SEFI has been managed so far and were also
quite enthusiastic abt the national test.
bye for now and regards
Sangeeta
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To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:20 PM
Subject: Push over analysis and softwares...




Quote:
Dear Amit, Vipul, Sangeeta and others:

The push over analysis is not such a big deal in terms of software. For
instance, the SAP2000 is one of the well-respected software that also
has good capabilities for push over analysis. After the Gujarat
earthquake on my suggestion, the firm CSI had agreed to provide this
software at a fraction of their regular price to Indian engineers and
many colleagues in the country indeed bought the software.
sdec@bol.net.in wrote:

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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:00 AM
Subject: Reply to Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi 's letter
dated 29th October 2004
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Dear Sefians,


I wish to share Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi 's deep
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concern over the neglect of  designing structures with regard to
Routine
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Design of Earthquake Resistant Structures. But a Performance Based
Seismic Evaluation ,Push Over Analysis ( Non linear

Analysis) & other sophisticated methods are easier said
than done
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because of lack of resources etc.

Firstly the capability of the average  practicing structural
engineers &
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consultants in evaluating the ultimate seismic capacities & going
for a
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non linear analysis is very limited because a major  portion of
these
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topics are  been dealt only at the research level & not well
established
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Secondly the above said analysis will require very powerful &
costly
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softwares beyond the reach of most of the organizations. The most
commonly & popular software of structural engineering software in
India
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seems to be STAAD PRO ,but how many people have really used it for
non
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linear analysis is a big question.

Thirdly & probably the most important factor is that the client
is
not
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willing to give the time which will be required for the kind of
analysis
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you are have suggested.



I feel as the awareness to seismic hazard & seismic risk
increases
over
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the years within the engineering community & also the nation as a
whole
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the above methods of analysis  shall find their true place.



With regards



Amit Dutt

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: No Title Reply with quote

skjain@iitk.ac.in wrote: Dear Sangeeta:

We had a lot of discussions on the state of structural engineering in
the August 2002 workshop organized by NICEE and I will restrain from
writing too much on this issue. However, I cannot resist from stating
the following:

a) Consultants are in the knowledge business. Improving the product,
that is knowledge and skills, has to be unconditional: regardless of
what someone pays for services, you have to strive to give the best
possible services.

b) In view of the above, investment in capacity building of your own
firm is the best way to not only grow professionally but also to charge
higher rates for your services.

b) Indian engineers cannot survive in global economy by using the
arguments such as client is not paying, architects do not pay....They
must be as good, or better, as their peers elsewhere.

c) While there may be consultants charging Rs 0.70 per sq. feet, I am
sure there are other consultants who are charging Rs 7.00 per sq feet.
One has to decide one ;s own placement in the profession. Having superior
services is the best way to go up in the value chain.

I will close here and hope that SEFI members in general and SEFI as a
forum does not take the pessimistic view that we cannot improve since
our fees is low.

Best regards,

Sudhir Jain

sdec@bol.net.in wrote:

Dear Dr Jain,
boss u are right, pl bear with me when i complain-- where is the time, money
and client worth investing where our own Structural Association members are
quoting shockingly low prices(can u beat it--70p per sq ft including wetting
from IIT--dont worry, IIT Delhi!)
ab batao, kya maine galat kaha?
P.s.I met Alpa (for the first time!) in Bangalore where I presented my first
ever paper on EQ engg based on IS Codes with Case studies.I actally spoke
impromptu for sixty odd minutes before showing powerpoint for the rest half
an hour and the whole thing put together was something of a hit,quite
unexpectedly.Many people knew about SEFI were aware of my frequent
comments, the rest will soon become members(thanks to my address and of
course Alpas v dynamic paper the next day).I also told them abt Nicee.org
and everyone quite liked the way SEFI has been managed so far and were also
quite enthusiastic abt the national test.
bye for now and regards
Sangeeta
----- Original Message -----
Message From  
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:20 PM
Subject: Push over analysis and softwares...




Dear Amit, Vipul, Sangeeta and others:

The push over analysis is not such a big deal in terms of software. For
instance, the SAP2000 is one of the well-respected software that also
has good capabilities for push over analysis. After the Gujarat
earthquake on my suggestion, the firm CSI had agreed to provide this
software at a fraction of their regular price to Indian engineers and
many colleagues in the country indeed bought the software.
sdec@bol.net.in wrote:

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Robert.Nicolson@Subsea7.com wrote:
In Britain, we have the ICE, IStructE, and the IMechE.
What are the equivalent Institutes, in France, and Germany ?

The website addresses would be nice, if someone, can help me.

Thanks, Rob.













          
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Sent  : Mon Dec 6  23:49:47 2004

Subject : Help needed



ajjjay2001@yahoo.com wrote:
Dear friends,

I'm a new member to this group. As a part of my work in dynamic
analysis I am in urgent need of a C-code for eigen value extraction
by subspace iteration technique. If anybody is having the same please
send it to me. I do want details about sites having downloadable FEM
source codes.

My Id:ajjjay2001@yahoo.co.in

With Regards
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U think the supporters sign without asking any question & the IEI accepts the application without any evidence of the experiences

U think that Engineers Mobility Forum under WTO/Washington Accord has given provisional membership to IEI for considering nothing about the membership qualities

U think if PE of US which is considered only after an experience of 4 years only is superior for it is under government control

U think that IEI is not related to the government & just a private organization

U think that ECI shall give u a license under the government which is impossible for the time being as it is only a registered society & shall remain so for many more years to come for the proposed Act is in its entirety is unconstitutional & I am definitely going to say ‘not to be’ Rajya Sabha when it comes into the house for public consideration

Your aforesaid accusations about IEI & its members being misjudged & of no quality really at least hurt me & shall affect thousands more

I do not understand on what basis u are considering US PE superior I have seen many US PEs & I do know about their abilities & even about the UL Engineers

Unfortunately u are also not clear about the meaning of IEI Charter as many thousands are not

This is the fact that u too are away from the working knowledge of Indian legal System

There is no question that I fear to appear for an examination or interview by any council but it is also not understandable that a person of your stature talk no values of practical experience. Every day there is interview. Every

Operation is an interview. Every solution to an engineering problem is an answer. Every approval to your solution or proposal is an answer & award.

In field we have to raise question ourselves & find answers to those question & sooner or later success comes. What then u talk about that experience is no consideration. U think only theoretical formula knowing is the competencies. Field engineering is a big class of the world university & I am proud to learn in the field gaining enough professional development & earning interface & interaction capacities with innumerable cross section of the international professionals. I least care what US PE is & I consider myself superior to those.

Since u are not able to evaluate the IEI Charter Legal status which is a part of the government, I am sorry that I may not be able to convince an engineer of your stature.

Thanks

Regards

Eng Suraj Singh PE

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