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Daily Digest Mon Jul 12 23:00:05 2004

 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:58 am    Post subject: Daily Digest Mon Jul 12 23:00:05 2004 Reply with quote

Dear All
This has reference to the letters of Mr. Lakhlani, Ms. Wij and others. It is true that structural engineers (and those who claim to be structural engineers) are not taking care of EQ issues. As one knows this is due to the severe competetion(?) and survival necessities that the engineer faces.

The typical problem is to provide structural drawings over-night (we have lost a lot of time to finalise architectural details you see...) to provide minimum sections (we need to provide 6" columns only you see...) and to provide minimum steel ( you know steel is becoming costlier..., for a similar building the other engineer gave only this much steel you see....).

A structural engineer is able to put his foot down only when his other foot is firmly on ground (i.e., when he has established himself very well) or when he can be sure that no other engineer gives in to the above said pressures from clients and builders.

This is possible when we unite, as has been suggested, instead of forming newer and newer associations. For the time being if all associations of consulting engineers, civil engineers, structural engineers etc., cannot amalgamate into one body, can we think of some federal system and a "Common Minimum Program"(which is the "in" thing now-a-days!).

Of course we may have a brighter scenario when the "Engineer's Bill" is passed and ECI becomes a regulatory body. Let's prey for this to happen soon and work to make it happen!

Dr. M. R. Kalgal



          
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:40 pm    Post subject: Daily Digest Mon Jul 12 23:00:05 2004 Reply with quote

Views in this mail are VERY VERY IMP. NECESSARYFOR OUR SURVIVAL
H.S.NAGLE

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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:21 AM
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Subject: Daily Digest Mon Jul 12 23:00:05 2004

Dear All
This has reference to the letters of Mr. Lakhlani, Ms. Wij and others. It is
true that structural engineers (and those who claim to be structural
engineers) are not taking care of EQ issues. As one knows this is due to the
severe competetion(?) and survival necessities that the engineer faces.

The typical problem is to provide structural drawings over-night (we have
lost a lot of time to finalise architectural details you see...) to provide
minimum sections (we need to provide 6" columns only you see...) and to
provide minimum steel ( you know steel is becoming costlier..., for a
similar building the other engineer gave only this much steel you see....).

A structural engineer is able to put his foot down only when his other foot
is firmly on ground (i.e., when he has established himself very well) or
when he can be sure that no other engineer gives in to the above said
pressures from clients and builders.


This is possible when we unite, as has been suggested, instead of forming
newer and newer associations. For the time being if all associations of
consulting engineers, civil engineers, structural engineers etc., cannot
amalgamate into one body, can we think of some federal system and a "Common
Minimum Program"(which is the "in" thing now-a-days!).

Of course we may have a brighter scenario when the "Engineer's Bill" is
passed and ECI becomes a regulatory body. Let's prey for this to happen soon
and work to make it happen!

Dr. M. R. Kalgal



          
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:11 am    Post subject: Daily Digest Mon Jul 12 23:00:05 2004 Reply with quote

Dear Prof.  Kalgal
I agree fully with you and it was a thought provoking write up.
Thank you
Yours sincerely
N P Rajamane, Deputy Director and Head, Concrete Composites Lab
SERC, CSIR Chennai 600113

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Dear All
This has reference to the letters of Mr. Lakhlani, Ms. Wij and others. It is true that structural engineers (and those who claim to be structural engineers) are not taking care of EQ issues. As one knows this is due to the severe competetion(?) and survival necessities that the engineer faces.

The typical problem is to provide structural drawings over-night (we have lost a lot of time to finalise architectural details you see...) to provide minimum sections (we need to provide 6" columns only you see...) and to provide minimum steel ( you know steel is becoming costlier..., for a similar building the other engineer gave only this much steel you see....).

A structural engineer is able to put his foot down only when his other foot is firmly on ground (i.e., when he has established himself very well) or when he can be sure that no other engineer gives in to the above said pressures from clients and builders.

This is possible when we unite, as has been suggested, instead of forming newer and newer associations. For the time being if all associations of consulting engineers, civil engineers, structural engineers etc., cannot amalgamate into one body, can we think of some federal system and a "Common Minimum Program"(which is the "in" thing now-a-days!).

Of course we may have a brighter scenario when the "Engineer's Bill" is passed and ECI becomes a regulatory body. Let's prey for this to happen soon and work to make it happen!

Dr. M. R. Kalgal



          
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:06 am    Post subject: Daily Digest Mon Jul 12 23:00:05 2004 Reply with quote

Dear All,

The engineering fraternity would be happy to note that the Hon'ble High
Court of Delhi has quashed on 15th July 2004 , the Public Notice which was
issued by AICTE  in March 2003 to register all engineers, saying that such
an exercise is not within the perview of the AICTE Act. This was the result
of the Writ petition that Consulting Engineers Association of India had
filed in this reghard.

It is now hoped that the Ministry of HRD will take a saner look at the issue
and immediately bring out some ordinance to Register engineers in view of
the pending GATS agrement wherein a mechanism to register engineers is in
place by Jan 2005. Hopefully the Engineering Council of India already formed
will be  acceptable to the ministry with some modifications.

In the meanwhile, let the Civil- Structural Engineers stay united and put
their foot down on ridiculous demands of some Architects or builders, and
yet survive by putting their best foot forward without compromising on the
safety and stability of a building and yet achieving the desired economy -
all of which requires extensive imagination.
ECI itself is an amalgamation of all engg bodies - as many as 24 of them.
The trick is now to have convergence of views and near unanimity in the
approach to registration with the civic agencies.
NBC bye laws Chapter "0" which has Dr. Visvesaraya as the chairman should
incorporate in the draft being prepared that there is an urgent need of not
barring engineers from various activities and that these bye laws be
followed in toto by all civic agencies thru'out India..

V.P.Agarwal
ishacon@vsnl.net

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