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Socio-Economical Aspect

 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:30 am    Post subject: Socio-Economical Aspect Reply with quote

Dear Structural / Civil Engineers,

Yesterday I was going through the revised fee-schedule for Engineering
Degree Courses, by D.T.E. - Maharashtra State, on internet. Most of you may
be aware about the sudden rise in the fees. . . Earlier the fees was
4000Rs./PA. Later it was increased to 12000Rs./PA. Currently the fees varies
as per College standards, from about 17000Rs./PA to 52000Rs./PA. It was
observed that even colleges with lower-standards are demanding for huge
fees. I could further observe that the net tuition-fees for one year of
Degree Course may be equivalent to the entire tuition-fees, which I spent on
my education till Post-Graduation (books etc. is not considered here).

We know that the magnitude of expenses made on infrastructure / salary of
teaching staff etc. are rapidly increasing. To move ahead with this
situation colleges has to increase their fees. But the income of common man
has not increased in the same proportion.

In such scenario, competent persons may not get education if they have low
economic family status. Hence those who are second in talent, but have good
economic-status, can get education.

Thus here is a . . .
1) first possibility of getting students with lower talent, arises here,
2) Further those who do not get entry to 'IT', 'Computers', 'Electronics',
'Mechanical' etc. come to Civil (which is only option left-out)
3) Many students leave nation for foreign studies (but do not come back . .
.)
4) After entering to Engineering many students try to switch over to
SOFTWARE field. If they do not get it, they work half-heartedly in the job.
Structural / Civil Engg. is field, where concentration required is large,
where as the payment is not so handsome.

If DOCTOR makes mistake - one life will be over, but if an engineer make
mistake - entire society life will be in danger

. . . . will such status help in growth of talent, growth of field & intern
growth of nation ? ? ? this issue is not for conference, because already
MEDIA has made lot of brain storming on it. We do not know how to solve the
problem.

Here I would like to know the fees in other States in India.

Regards
Vivek Abhyankar
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:11 am    Post subject: Socio-Economical Aspect Reply with quote

Dear abhayankar,
The thoughts u have aired are not new, we all agree whole heartedly with
the points raised by you, I paid Rs 150 per semester in DCE 77-82 and
approx 300-500   per sem in IIT for Mtech, in fact the money spent in
the entire M.Tech programme was so low that I never bothered to get it
reimbursed as a pert time student from RITES. It seems times have
changed and the concept of subsidizing higher education is finally being
discarded and the rise in fees is a result of that.
As far as poor quality of students entering Str engg is concerned, these
things are always market-driven; so much so that some of new engg
colleges are not offering Civil engg at UG level at all, maybe there are
few takers and maybe they have to spend too much on proper lab
facilities which may be difficult to sustain if many students don't opt
for civil engg at all.
But to chher u up, it may also have a brighter side if u look at it;
fewer civil engg students becoming str engrs will create a short supply
which will create higher demand for exp str engrs making way for better
renumeration for the existing ones and if this news circulates well,
more students might opt for civil at college lvl!
Sangeeta wij

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Message From  ABHYANKAR@hccindia.co.in [mailto:ABHYANKAR@hccindia.co.in]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 3:08 PM
To: sdec@bol.net.in
Subject: Socio-Economical Aspect

Dear Structural / Civil Engineers,

Yesterday I was going through the revised fee-schedule for Engineering
Degree Courses, by D.T.E. - Maharashtra State, on internet. Most of you
may
be aware about the sudden rise in the fees. . . Earlier the fees was
4000Rs./PA. Later it was increased to 12000Rs./PA. Currently the fees
varies
as per College standards, from about 17000Rs./PA to 52000Rs./PA. It was
observed that even colleges with lower-standards are demanding for huge
fees. I could further observe that the net tuition-fees for one year of
Degree Course may be equivalent to the entire tuition-fees, which I
spent on
my education till Post-Graduation (books etc. is not considered here).

We know that the magnitude of expenses made on infrastructure / salary
of
teaching staff etc. are rapidly increasing. To move ahead with this
situation colleges has to increase their fees. But the income of common
man
has not increased in the same proportion.

In such scenario, competent persons may not get education if they have
low
economic family status. Hence those who are second in talent, but have
good
economic-status, can get education.

Thus here is a . . .
1) first possibility of getting students with lower talent, arises here,
2) Further those who do not get entry to 'IT', 'Computers',
'Electronics',
'Mechanical' etc. come to Civil (which is only option left-out)
3) Many students leave nation for foreign studies (but do not come back
. .
.)
4) After entering to Engineering many students try to switch over to
SOFTWARE field. If they do not get it, they work half-heartedly in the
job.
Structural / Civil Engg. is field, where concentration required is
large,
where as the payment is not so handsome.

If DOCTOR makes mistake - one life will be over, but if an engineer make
mistake - entire society life will be in danger

. . . . will such status help in growth of talent, growth of field &
intern
growth of nation ? ? ? this issue is not for conference, because already
MEDIA has made lot of brain storming on it. We do not know how to solve
the
problem.

Here I would like to know the fees in other States in India.

Regards
Vivek Abhyankar
HCC




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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:47 am    Post subject: Socio-Economical Aspect Reply with quote

Dear Abhayankar and Sangeeta,

I appreciate your views regarding this topic.

You know that the chances of getting admission in desired faculty is solely
depends on the % you are getting in 12th std.
Sometimes students can't get the desired field because of our faulty
education system. I think that if a student is very keen to choose a filed
of medicine or paramedical branch, he should have more command on Biology
and chemistry. While the student who has made mind for Engineering, he
should be excellent in Maths and Physics. This can really help a student to
grow. But I have seen some cases in which the student can't get in Medicine
because his less marks in Maths/Physics. This student will enter in the
filed of engineering and deliver poor quality.
Apart from that, the expectations from our social background also creates
disasters. A person who is really very good at Arts is forced to join
Medical as his/her parents are well known doctors and they want their child
to handle their business. (pls. correct me if I am wrong)

Don't you think that we require some basic changes in our education and
social system, in which a student can pursue his careers in his own way and
not driven by the results and social aspects?

I know that this is a difficult situation to change. But we have to initiate
someday to get quality people in all fields.

Regards,

Himali V Bhatt
Jacobs Babtie India
Ahmedabad.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:54 am    Post subject: Socio-Economical Aspect Reply with quote

Dear himali
U r right, because we have too many people everywhere(not working bcos
they don't enjoy their work and are forced to be there bcos of parental
pr)
No doubt our efficiency is so poor and overheads so high (in fact the
PSU I worked with earlier, has a staggering 200% as overheads and
obviously cant compete in open market)No wonder our productivity and
efficiency is so poor.I wish to share a shocking fact with u-- IStructE
London has a membership fees of 275pounds annually where they give a
discount of 80% to poor countries and India is one of them along with
Pakistan, Bangladesh etc but, to my surprise Srilanka is in the category
of not so poor countries, with 60% discount!
Howver, we ourselves are to blame for this situation bcos I strongly
feel we as Indians preach too much and practice very little-- if it
comes to our children, we want to invariably choose what we consider to
be the best, maybe trying to realize our own unfulfilled dreams( and to
be honest, even I had suggested to my daughter, just out of school, that
she can become a str engineer to help me out later in my consultancy
firm).Well I did realize well in time, that this is what she didn't want
to do at all and she is safely ensconsed in a profession more to her
liking and dreams and potentials.
I think we musssst realize that one should do what he/she loves to do--
to be able to realize ones full potential and we must practice what we
preach at home first and foremost.
Reg
Sangeeta

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Message From  himali.joshi@babtieindia.com [mailto:himali.joshi@babtieindia.com]

Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 5:25 PM
To: sdec@bol.net.in
Subject: Socio-Economical Aspect

Dear Abhayankar and Sangeeta,

I appreciate your views regarding this topic.

You know that the chances of getting admission in desired faculty is
solely
depends on the % you are getting in 12th std.
Sometimes students can't get the desired field because of our faulty
education system. I think that if a student is very keen to choose a
filed
of medicine or paramedical branch, he should have more command on
Biology
and chemistry. While the student who has made mind for Engineering, he
should be excellent in Maths and Physics. This can really help a student
to
grow. But I have seen some cases in which the student can't get in
Medicine
because his less marks in Maths/Physics. This student will enter in the
filed of engineering and deliver poor quality.
Apart from that, the expectations from our social background also
creates
disasters. A person who is really very good at Arts is forced to join
Medical as his/her parents are well known doctors and they want their
child
to handle their business. (pls. correct me if I am wrong)

Don't you think that we require some basic changes in our education and
social system, in which a student can pursue his careers in his own way
and
not driven by the results and social aspects?

I know that this is a difficult situation to change. But we have to
initiate
someday to get quality people in all fields.

Regards,

Himali V Bhatt
Jacobs Babtie India
Ahmedabad.

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