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Daily Digest Thu Oct 7 23:00:02 2004

 
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prempalbansal1
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:59 am    Post subject: Daily Digest Thu Oct 7 23:00:02 2004 Reply with quote

Dr. Jain
Conducting a test anational level is very good idea but i feel that if we thinking that it will help the students in geting the job than it should be conducted in the final year so that their deign skills can also be checked because i think it is area where students lack due to diffrence in real life problems & class room problems, other wise if it is to be conducted for identifying the students at intial stage than we should also think of providing them additional material may be solved design problems etc. in addition to what they study in their regular curriculam.

Prem Pal Bansal

general@sefindia.org wrote:
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Message From  skjain@iitk.ac.in
Subject: National Test in Structural Engineering....
Date: 06/10/04
Time: 23:20:11
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Dear Colleagues:
I am appending herewith a concept not for a National Test in Structural
Engineering that SEFI could conduct for B.E students at their early
third year. We request your impressions and feedback on the same. We
hope that a discussion on this may be useful to help improve it further.

thanking you and with best regards,

Sudhir Jain
IIT Kanpur


Concept Note for


National Test in Structural Engineering

* *

*Alpa Sheth and Sudhir K Jain*

* *

*Background: *

The structural engineering field in India is going through challenging
times. At one end there is a growing need for talented structural
engineers considering the frenzied pace of construction and
infrastructure development in the country. In spite of this need, the
field of civil engineering is unable to attract the best talent in the
student community due to myriad reasons: poor salaries due to poor
consulting fees, growing degradation of ethics in the civil engineering
community, low status of civil engineers in society and a general
perception of civil engineering being a traditional field without much
potential or apparent growth in the past few decades.

On the other hand there has been a mushrooming of engineering colleges
in the past few years. Some of the colleges are not even accredited and
do not have adequate facilities nor are able to attract good faculty.
Additionally, some of the existing institutions of repute in the past
are also going through a critical phase and their credibility and
standards stand greatly compromised due to paucity of good teaching
faculty, funds and other problems.

In the above scenario, the teaching of structural engineering has
suffered more than that of other disciplines of civil engineering due to
several reasons: (a) structural engineering is traditionally perceived
as the “toughest” subject within civil engineering and hence is the
first casualty when the students have low morale, (b) due to emphasis on
new and emerging disciplines within civil engineering such as
environmental engineering, transportation systems engineering,
geoinformatics (remote sensing, GIS, GPS, …), the number of courses
being taught in structural engineering has been shrinking with time.

As a result there is a general perception in the industry that the
students graduating from civil engineering colleges lack basic
analytical, computational or design skills. This was voiced in the first
e-conference held at NICEE on “Professional Issues in Structural
Engineering in India” (Aug 26-31 2002 www.nicee.org
) and later in the SEFI e-Conference on
“Licensing Issues in Structural Engineering profession in the Indian
context” (March 24 - 28, 2003 www.sefindia.org ).


*In view of the diverse quality of education and students, there
is a need to develop mechanisms which will contribute to improving
the quality of education by helping to:*


*a) motivate students and develop a passion for structural
engineering*


*b) encourage a healthy competition amongst the students and colleges*


c) benchmark the analytical and computational skills of students


d) Provide a tool for the practising community to identify
talented civil engineering students


Methodology

The Program consists of holding a National Test in August or September
of each year wherein third year civil engineering students across the
country can participate. The Test will evaluate their analytical skills
and conceptual understanding of behaviour of structures. It is assumed
that the students would have completed basic courses in solid mechanics,
structural analysis and engineering mathematics.

The Test will grade the students and give certificates and cash prizes
to the deserving candidates.

The Test will be conducted annually under the aegis of SEFI. SEFI will
set up a special committee for this project. The committee will a)
identify resource faculty to set the paper, b) identify participating
colleges and set up the logistics for conducting the Test in these
colleges. c) identify assessors to grade the papers.

The Test will be conducted through the participating engineering
colleges across the country. SEFI will partner with NICEE and IIT Kanpur
to identify the participating colleges, liaise with the colleges and
other issues. Local SEFI volunteers will assist in the logistics of
conducting the exams.

SEFI will also announce the results on its website. Whether the
certificate should be issued only by SEFI or by SEFI and NICEE/IITK
jointly, will be decided later depending on what will be better from the
view point of the prestige of the certificate.

*Budget*

SEFI is a voluntary organization and it may be possible for it to seek
the participation of faculty and members of SEFI without having to pay
honorarium (or, just notional honorarium, where needed) at least in the
first year.

However, funds will still be needed for preparation of question papers,
mailings, communications, grading of papers, certificates, etc. Also,
some payment may need to be made to the colleges hosting the examination
for miscellaneous costs associated with conducting the examination. A
cost of about Rs 100 per student may be assumed presently. In the
initial year, about 100 colleges may participate (as compared to more
than 300 colleges that have an undergraduate civil engineering
programme). It is estimated that on average about twenty students per
college would participate. Thus an annual budget of Rs 200,000/- (Rs Two
lakhs) is the minimum amount needed in the first instance. If it is
decided to proceed with _cash prizes_ (useful in the initial years at
least), a suitable additional amount will be needed.

After gaining experience the first time, it will be possible to better
estimate the costs associated with the programme. Going by other
experiences of IITK in conducting the undergraduate summer camp and the
workshops for master’s students, the number of colleges and the
interested students will grow every year.

/It may be mentioned that as a policy, we must not charge the students
any fees for appearing in the Test. Hence, the entire amount should be
raised from the industry./

*Benefits *

1. The Test will communicate to the students that they are wanted by
the structural engineering profession, thereby improving an
overall attitude towards the subject in the colleges.

2. The Test will help identify early enough (beginning third year)
students with aptitude for structural engineering. This will
motivate them to do better in structural engineering courses
during remaining tenure.

3. Colleges will take pride on success of the students and will pay
more attention to teaching of the subject.

4. The certificate will be passport to the students for seeking a job
in structural engineering profession.

5. Engineering firms will be able to use the certificate as a
preliminary screening mechanism for recruitment of engineers.

6. It will be possible to identify colleges that are consistently
doing a better job of teaching structural engineering. It will
also give a warning signal to the colleges from where the students
are not doing too well.


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Message From  acpl_sefi@rediffmail.com
Subject: SEISMIC DETAILING FOR CIRCULAR COLUMNS
Date: 06/10/04
Time: 23:22:50
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Once discussions at IIT Delhi revealed the cross tie helps substantially. They may tests to substantiate that claim. It must not be written off whimsically.

Though ACI may be a good source. From what I recollect it only allows spirals for circular columns confining reinforcement (about 2" max pitch)--which are known to be extremely effective.

Vipul Ahuja


On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 mc.upadhyay@jil.co.in wrote :
Quote:
Hello
the circular hoop is subjected to  tension by expanding
concrete; hence it provides continuous support to all the longitudinal bars
along the hoop & the core concrete.
So it is not useless to provide the cross tie in circular columns.

Regards

Mukesh Upadhyay




surendra@lntecc.
com                      To:      mc.upadhyay@jil.co.in
cc:
10/05/04 09:50          Subject: SEISMIC DETAILING FOR CIRCULAR COLUMNS
AM
Please respond
to general





Dear Mr. Mukesh Upadhyay,

My question is

Is it required to provide cross ties in circular column or not ?

We provide cross ties in square or rectangular column for 300c/c(maximum
allowable spacing)as shown in figure 7.B and 7.C of IS 13920:1993. But for
circular columns code does not specify any special clause.

For circular columns we can follow similar conceptual procedure stated as
per IS:13920:1993 (But just i need any proof in any other code or book).
But placing of stirrups is also difficult. Especially following clause 7.C
where when width exceeds 300mm we have to provide overlapping hoops. It is
difficult for site to do?

So just i want to how people are practicing...

Regards,

SURENDRA BABU .J
Assistant Engineering Manager,
EDRC,
L&T - ECC,
Manapakkam,
Mount poonamalle high road,
Chennai - 600 089

PS : My posting in SEFI is not to dishonour/comment IS 13920.





















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Message From  alpa_sheth@vakilmehtasheth.com
Subject: Request to SEFI list
Date: 07/10/04
Time: 11:32:24
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Dear All:

This is an administrative request.
All of you must be seeing some strange characters showing up on SEFI mails once in a while. It makes the reading of the email very difficult and irritating. This is because some of the emails are written in rich text format and using special fonts, italics, bold, underscore. The discussion forum does not support these. Hence please desist from this. Write all emails in plain text so that all emails are legible.

Thanks and regards,
SEFI admin.

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Message From  rudra_nevatia@yahoo.com
Subject: Request to SEFI list
Date: 07/10/04
Time: 11:57:47
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Dear Alpa,

Actually, the 'strange characters' crop up when a mail is sent in HTML mode.
If you have noticed, the most common characters are   which is HTMLese
for the innocuous 'non-breaking space'.

One way of avoiding this would be to send all messages in text mode. Another
way would be at the SEFI server end. Simply changing Content-type from
multipart/mixed to text/html would do the trick.

Regards,
Rudra Nevatia

--- alpa_sheth@vakilmehtasheth.com wrote:

Quote:
Dear All:

This is an administrative request.
All of you must be seeing some strange characters showing up on SEFI mails
once in a while. It makes the reading of the email very difficult and
irritating. This is because some of the emails are written in rich text
format and using special fonts, italics, bold, underscore. The discussion
forum does not support these. Hence please desist from this. Write all emails
in plain text so that all emails are legible.

Thanks and regards,
SEFI admin.











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Message From  alpa_sheth@vakilmehtasheth.com
Subject: Request to SEFI list
Date: 07/10/04
Time: 15:16:05
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Dear Mr Nevatia:

Thanks for the additinal info. Yes,  as you rightly say HTML (also called Rich Text in the Outlook Express) is the main culprit for the strange characters.

Unfortunately, it is difficult for us to correct  it at server stage presently, hence we would request SEFI correspondents to use plain text mode.

Regards,

Alpa
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