www.sefindia.org

STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING FORUM OF INDIA [SEFI]

 Forum SubscriptionsSubscriptions DigestDigest Preferences   FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups  RegisterRegister FAQSecurity Tips FAQDonate
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log in to websiteLog in to websiteLog in to websiteLog in to forum 
Warning: Make sure you scan the downloaded attachment with updated antivirus tools  before opening them. They may contain viruses.
Use online scanners
here and here to upload downloaded attachment to check for safety.

Daily Digest Thu Nov 4 23:00:03 2004

 
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    www.sefindia.org Forum Index -> Past Discussions Year 2004
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
adutt
Progressive Member
Progressive Member


Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 43

PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:35 am    Post subject: Daily Digest Thu Nov 4 23:00:03 2004 Reply with quote

Dear Respected Dr. S. K. Jain ,Sikander Hayat Siddiqi,Vipul Ahuja ,Sangeeta, & all Sefians,
It is very important that we structural engineers should not compromise on quality or find excuses for not updating ourselves on the knowledge front.
I feel there should be constant interaction between engineering colleges , universities ,structural research centres & the service industry/practicing engineers so that both benefit from each other's experience as it happens in the advanced countries.

Thanking You
With Regards
Amit Dutt, Structural Engineer,Delhi



-----Original Message-----
Message From  general@sefindia.org [mailto:general@sefindia.org]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:30 AM
To: Amit Dutt
Subject: Daily Digest Thu Nov 4 23:00:03 2004

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  acpl_sefi@rediffmail.com
Subject: Reply to Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi  ;s letter dated 29th October 20
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 01:18:10
----------------------------------------------------------


Dear Sangeeta,

What are we waiting for!

Vipul;nbsp;


On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 sdec@bol.net.in wrote :
Dear Vipul,
I guess a time has come when maybe we need to pool resources and form a
couple of formidable consortiums to be able to fight the Big FishAny takers
of the idea?
Sangeeta Wij
----- Original Message -----
Message From  acpl_sefi@rediffmail.com
To: sdec@bol.net.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:00 AM
Subject: Reply to Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi  ;s letter
dated 29th October 2004




Dear Mr. Amit Dutt

I share your concerns over lack of resources available to the Indian
Consulting engineer in investing in expensive programs. However we must
not forget that we need to be competitive at the global level (both
commercially and technically) in the future ;amp; we must start looking
towards that direction sooner than later--soon it may become a survival
issue.

Vipul Ahuja


On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 adutt@desein.com wrote :
Dear Sefians,

;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp;  
I wish to share Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi  ;s deep
concern over the neglect of;nbsp; designing structures with regard to
Routine
Design of Earthquake Resistant Structures. But a Performance Based
Seismic Evaluation ,Push Over Analysis ( Non linear

;nbsp; Analysis) ;amp; other sophisticated methods are easier said
than done
because of lack of resources etc.

Firstly the capability of the average;nbsp; practicing structural
engineers ;amp;
consultants in evaluating the ultimate seismic capacities ;amp; going
for a
non linear analysis is very limited because a major;nbsp; portion of
these
topics are;nbsp; been dealt only at the research level ;amp; not well
established


Secondly the above said analysis will require very powerful ;amp;
costly
softwares beyond the reach of most of the organizations. The most
commonly ;amp; popular software of structural engineering software in
India
seems to be STAAD PRO ,but how many people have really used it for non
linear analysis is a big question.

Thirdly ;amp; probably the most important factor is that the client is
not
willing to give the time which will be required for the kind of
analysis
you are have suggested.



I feel as the awareness to seismic hazard ;amp; seismic risk increases
over
the years within the engineering community ;amp; also the nation as a
whole
the above methods of analysis;nbsp; shall find their true place.



With regards



Amit Dutt

Structural Engineer










Structural Engineers Forum of
India  









Structural Engineers Forum of India  
;nbsp;








Structural Engineers Forum of India  





----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  gayatriajit@yahoo.com
Subject: Training-Ref:Dr S K Jain ;s mail
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 04:08:53
----------------------------------------------------------
Hi Everybody,
I agree with Mr. Kadam in necessity of continuing education. In US, a professional engineer even after having his/her license  has to have a required number of hours of continuing education (PDHs) every year to retain the license.  This is a valid requirement because even if you have experience and qualification, you need to keep updating yourself with new methodologies.
Sharing of information and knowledge will be very helpful to a lot of people including myself.

Regards
Gayatri

p_kadam_sefi@yahoo.co.in wrote:


Dear Sefians,

Continuing Education is indeed necessary irrespective of number of years of experience one has.Proper training helps reduce the Project Cost because of reduced Ignorance factor.Client should know this aspect.

Distant Cont. Education will help a lot especially to practicing engineers ; oldies(like me).

Could we share available softwares among ourselves?

Regards,

P Kadam


Structural Engineers Forum of India  



               
---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ibarua@deguild.com
Subject: Daily Digest Wed Nov  3 23:00:03 2004
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 08:46:18
----------------------------------------------------------

04 November 2004

Re.: Fees quoted by structural engineers
-----------------------------------

I am (unpleasantly) surprised to learn that structural engineers are quoting rates per square foot. First, the architects shot themselves in the foot by quoting fees well below those prescribed by the Council of Architecture. Now engineers are shooting themselves in the foot by quoting per square foot (of drawings or the building??). With such practices, learning and self improvement is stopped at the threshold.

Sefians, any comments??

Indrajit Barua.




----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  kvsscivil@yahoo.com
Subject: Respect and Remuneration
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:00:56
----------------------------------------------------------
Dear All

In our society many buildings are built by non civil engineers ( local contractors / builders) and are getting approvals. In fact the key lies in the local municipal authorities to make it mandatory for getting approval any building, the builder / contractor should submit the detailed design calculations with seismic criteria. This will keep the non civil engineers (contractors) from building high rises at bay. This, I think, will surely rise the reputation and demand for civil engineers.

Regards,
Sudhakar

dhirendrat@gmail.com wrote:
Namaste All,

The Structural Engineer maybe paid directly by the builder /
architect but ultimately the money is coming from the public
at large.

An individual engineer may feel that the profession itself
doesn ;t get the recognition it deserves and therefore as an
individual there is not much that can be done. However its a
catch-22 situation where in unless the individuals take
initiatives the perceptions shall not change.

I feel the structural engineering community must directly
reach out to the public at large too. Most cities now have
science parks or some place where an attempt is made to
inculcate a scientific temperament in the general society.
Salient features of structural engineering can be
incorporated at such place so that it has its deserved place
under the sun. Perhaps some exhibits that demonstrate
difference between unengineered, poorly engineered and
soundly engineered constructions.

Also sefindia.org web site can have pages that interest the
public at large. Such as why its important to evaluate the
quality of structural engineering of a construction. Simple
guidance for obvious indicators of quality of construction.
Information on how they can make a more elaborate
determination and how much it would cost them typically.
Also say a simple quiz that persons can take to judge how
much they know of what they should.

with regards,

Dhirendra Tripathi






Structural Engineers Forum of India  



               
---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  kvsscivil@yahoo.com
Subject: In-elastic Deformations
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:02:41
----------------------------------------------------------
Dear All

I was one of the participant in the recently held workshop on Seismic analysis and design of structures at Bangalore. I have one doubt in this regard.

We design structures for seismic forces  and allow plastic hinges to form in beams, but not in columns, which can be rectified later on.  That means we are allowing buildings to undergo deformations in in-elastic regions. This point was also touched in the workshop. But after the earth quake, we will rectify the damaged beams and other elements and make the structure ready for use. But how can we bring back the deformations the structure under gone in in-elastic region? Could anyone explain on this please.


Regards,
Sudhakar


               
---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ajjjay2001@yahoo.com
Subject: Daily Digest Sun Oct 17 23:00:03 2004
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:22:12
----------------------------------------------------------
--- general@sefindia.org wrote:

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  sidhudaljeet@yahoo.com
Subject: Pozzolana cement
Date: 17/10/04
Time: 00:49:47

----------------------------------------------------------





Hello every body

It is pozzolana cement that is confusing me from
last several years, can any one tell what is the
reality, is it merely big margin for cement
companies or it is really better than OPC  


From an article:

"A series of investigations carried out by CECRI,
(the results of which have been confirmed by the
National Building Organisation, New Delhi, and the
Central Building Research Institute, Roorkee) show
that Indian Pozzolana cements offer less protection
to steel subjected to aggressive conditions. Some
recent foreign publications also suggest a cautious
approach in using different pozzolanic cements. The
durability factor for PPC is found to be 0.5 when
compared to the OPC concrete. But if the use of PPC
cannot be avoided the Inhibitor
formulation developed by the CECRI may be used to
improve the resistance of PPC concrete to a
considerable degree".

Views of cement manufacturing companies:

Pozzolana cements are much more durable, corrosion
resistant and has every (best possible) things in
their Pozzolanic cement products. And trying to get
the approval from government to use the PPC in
government projects.

Please put some light on this topic please

Daljeet



__________________________________________________

Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
protection around


----------------------------------------------------------


----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ibarua@deguild.com
Subject: Daily Digest Wed Oct 13 23:00:03
2004
Date: 17/10/04
Time: 07:52:17

----------------------------------------------------------

17 October, 2004

Re.: Change of Z factors depending on soil
conditions

--------------------------------------------------
Prof. A R Chandrasekaran has rightly pointed out the
legal problems that may arise out of increased base
shears due to change in Z factors. The BIS
should protect those engineers who have designed a
structure that may fail despite having been designed
correctly according to the existing Codes. The BIS
may also remember that retro-fitting is very costly
and time consuming.

However, the really good thing about microzonisation
is that the locations of pockets of liquefiable
soils will be identified and thus, knowledge about
liquefiable soils will be widely disseminated. I
stress this point as many structural engineers, and
indeed, so called geo-technical experts seem to be
blissfully unaware of the dangers posed by
liquefiable soils. As an example, I may quote the
instance of a Central University being built on the
north bank of the river Brahmaputra in Assam in
seismic zone V. The site is ringed by a number of
known epicentres of earthquakes of maginitude 5.5 to
8 on the Richter scale at a distance of 25 to 50 km.
When I happened to be at the project site as a
casual visitor, a mere visual inspection of the
excavation in the foundation of a building was
enough to tell me that the soil at the site could be
prone to liquefaction. The soil was cohesionless and
fine grained, and appeared to be unconsolidated. A
perusal of the soil investigation reports of the
site elicited not even a whisper about liquefaction.
I conveyed my apprehensions to the project
authorities, who, at my suggestion, commissioned a
detailed investigation to determine the possibility
of liquefaction or rule it out. This investigation
confirmed my worst fears: the foundation soil was
indeed prone to liquefaction, which could be
triggered at contact pressures as low as 3 t per
sq.m. While the soil could be reconditioned for
future construction, buildings already constructed
are sitting on dangerous ground. I also saw fr
the Government of India under construction in a
nearby area. As far as I know, the project
authorities there are unaware of the dangers lurking
beneath their buildings.  

It is perhaps not entirely coincidental that in both
these projects, the consultants were chosen on the
basis of the lowest tender.  Who will
educate the owners and builders of such multi-crore
projects?

Indrajit Barua.
Guwahati, Assam.
(ibarua@deguild.com)

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 general@sefindia.org wrote :


---------------------------------------------------------

Posted via Email
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mkmittal
SEFI Member
SEFI Member


Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 19

PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:37 am    Post subject: Daily Digest Thu Nov 4 23:00:03 2004 Reply with quote

----- Original Message -----
Message From  <general@sefindia.org>
To: <mkmittal@del2.vsnl.net.in>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:48 PM
Subject: Daily Digest Thu Nov 4 23:00:03 2004


Quote:
----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  acpl_sefi@rediffmail.com
Subject: Reply to Mr. Sikandar Hayat
Siddiqi  ;s letter dated 29th October 20
Quote:
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 01:18:10
----------------------------------------------------------


Dear Sangeeta,

What are we waiting for!

Vipul;nbsp;


On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 sdec@bol.net.in wrote :
Dear Vipul,
I guess a time has come when maybe we need to pool resources and
form a
Quote:
couple of formidable consortiums to be able to fight the Big
FishAny takers
Quote:
of the idea?
Sangeeta Wij
----- Original Message -----
Message From  acpl_sefi@rediffmail.com
To: sdec@bol.net.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:00 AM
Subject: Reply to Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi
;s letter
Quote:
dated 29th October 2004




Dear Mr. Amit Dutt

I share your concerns over lack of resources available
to the Indian
Quote:
Consulting engineer in investing in expensive programs.
However we must
Quote:
not forget that we need to be competitive at the global
level (both
Quote:
commercially and technically) in the future ;amp; we
must start looking
Quote:
towards that direction sooner than later--soon it may
become a survival
Quote:
issue.

Vipul Ahuja


On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 adutt@desein.com wrote :
Dear Sefians,

;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp;
;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp;
Quote:
I wish to share Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi  ;s deep
concern over the neglect of;nbsp; designing
structures with regard to
Quote:
Routine
Design of Earthquake Resistant Structures. But a
Performance Based
Quote:
Seismic Evaluation ,Push Over Analysis ( Non
linear
Quote:

;nbsp; Analysis) ;amp; other
sophisticated methods are easier said
Quote:
than done
because of lack of resources etc.

Firstly the capability of the average;nbsp;
practicing structural
Quote:
engineers ;amp;
consultants in evaluating the ultimate seismic
capacities ;amp; going
Quote:
for a
non linear analysis is very limited because a
major;nbsp; portion of
Quote:
these
topics are;nbsp; been dealt only at the
research level ;amp; not well
Quote:
established


Secondly the above said analysis will require
very powerful ;amp;
Quote:
costly
softwares beyond the reach of most of the
organizations. The most
Quote:
commonly ;amp; popular software of
structural engineering software in
Quote:
India
seems to be STAAD PRO ,but how many people have
really used it for non
Quote:
linear analysis is a big question.

Thirdly ;amp; probably the most important
factor is that the client is
Quote:
not
willing to give the time which will be required
for the kind of
Quote:
analysis
you are have suggested.



I feel as the awareness to seismic hazard
;amp; seismic risk increases
Quote:
over
the years within the engineering community
;amp; also the nation as a
Quote:
whole
the above methods of analysis;nbsp; shall
find their true place.
Quote:



With regards



Amit Dutt

Structural Engineer












;lt; Structural Engineers Forum of
Quote:
India  



Structural Engineers Forum of India  
Quote:
;nbsp;









Quote:



----------------------------------------------------------

---------------------------------------------------------- dear Gayatri,
this aspect of Continuing education is very important. Final draft of
Engineers bill prepared by ECI incorporates all such aspects. I am sure with
Engineers bill this problem will be solved to a large extent.
MANOJ MITTAL



Quote:
Message From  gayatriajit@yahoo.com
Subject: Training-Ref:Dr S K Jain ;s mail
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 04:08:53
----------------------------------------------------------
Hi Everybody,
I agree with Mr. Kadam in necessity of continuing education. In US, a
professional engineer even after having his/her license  has to have a
required number of hours of continuing education (PDHs) every year to retain
the license.  This is a valid requirement because even if you have
experience and qualification, you need to keep updating yourself with new
methodologies.
Quote:
Sharing of information and knowledge will be very helpful to a lot of
people including myself.
Quote:

Regards
Gayatri

p_kadam_sefi@yahoo.co.in wrote:


Dear Sefians,

Continuing Education is indeed necessary irrespective of number of years
of experience one has.Proper training helps reduce the Project Cost because
of reduced Ignorance factor.Client should know this aspect.
Quote:

Distant Cont. Education will help a lot especially to practicing engineers
; oldies(like me).
Quote:

Could we share available softwares among ourselves?

Regards,

P Kadam


Structural Engineers Forum
of India  


Quote:


---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ibarua@deguild.com
Subject: Daily Digest Wed Nov  3 23:00:03 2004
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 08:46:18
----------------------------------------------------------

04 November 2004

Re.: Fees quoted by structural engineers
-----------------------------------

I am (unpleasantly) surprised to learn that structural engineers are
quoting rates per square foot. First, the architects shot themselves in the
foot by quoting fees well below those prescribed by the Council of
Architecture. Now engineers are shooting themselves in the foot by quoting
per square foot (of drawings or the building??). With such practices,
learning and self improvement is stopped at the threshold.
Quote:

Sefians, any comments??

Indrajit Barua.




----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  kvsscivil@yahoo.com
Subject: Respect and Remuneration
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:00:56
----------------------------------------------------------
Dear All

In our society many buildings are built by non civil engineers ( local
contractors / builders) and are getting approvals. In fact the key lies in
the local municipal authorities to make it mandatory for getting approval
any building, the builder / contractor should submit the detailed design
calculations with seismic criteria. This will keep the non civil engineers
(contractors) from building high rises at bay. This, I think, will surely
rise the reputation and demand for civil engineers.
Quote:

Regards,
Sudhakar

dhirendrat@gmail.com wrote:
Namaste All,

The Structural Engineer maybe paid directly by the builder /
architect but ultimately the money is coming from the public
at large.

An individual engineer may feel that the profession itself
doesn ;t get the recognition it deserves and therefore as an
individual there is not much that can be done. However its a
catch-22 situation where in unless the individuals take
initiatives the perceptions shall not change.

I feel the structural engineering community must directly
reach out to the public at large too. Most cities now have
science parks or some place where an attempt is made to
inculcate a scientific temperament in the general society.
Salient features of structural engineering can be
incorporated at such place so that it has its deserved place
under the sun. Perhaps some exhibits that demonstrate
difference between unengineered, poorly engineered and
soundly engineered constructions.

Also sefindia.org web site can have pages that interest the
public at large. Such as why its important to evaluate the
quality of structural engineering of a construction. Simple
guidance for obvious indicators of quality of construction.
Information on how they can make a more elaborate
determination and how much it would cost them typically.
Also say a simple quiz that persons can take to judge how
much they know of what they should.

with regards,

Dhirendra Tripathi






Structural Engineers Forum
of India  


Quote:


---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  kvsscivil@yahoo.com
Subject: In-elastic Deformations
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:02:41
----------------------------------------------------------
Dear All

I was one of the participant in the recently held workshop on Seismic
analysis and design of structures at Bangalore. I have one doubt in this
regard.
Quote:

We design structures for seismic forces  and allow plastic hinges to form
in beams, but not in columns, which can be rectified later on.  That means
we are allowing buildings to undergo deformations in in-elastic regions.
This point was also touched in the workshop. But after the earth quake, we
will rectify the damaged beams and other elements and make the structure
ready for use. But how can we bring back the deformations the structure
under gone in in-elastic region? Could anyone explain on this please.
[quote]
Regards,
Sudhakar



---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ajjjay2001@yahoo.com
Subject: Daily Digest Sun Oct 17 23:00:03 2004
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:22:12
----------------------------------------------------------
--- general@sefindia.org wrote:

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  sidhudaljeet@yahoo.com
Subject: Pozzolana cement
Date: 17/10/04
Time: 00:49:47

----------------------------------------------------------





Hello every body

It is pozzolana cement that is confusing me from
last several years, can any one tell what is the
reality, is it merely big margin for cement
companies or it is really better than OPC


From an article:

"A series of investigations carried out by CECRI,
(the results of which have been confirmed by the
National Building Organisation, New Delhi, and the
Central Building Research Institute, Roorkee) show
that Indian Pozzolana cements offer less protection
to steel subjected to aggressive conditions. Some
recent foreign publications also suggest a cautious
approach in using different pozzolanic cements. The
durability factor for PPC is found to be 0.5 when
compared to the OPC concrete. But if the use of PPC
cannot be avoided the Inhibitor
formulation developed by the CECRI may be used to
improve the resistance of PPC concrete to a
considerable degree".

Views of cement manufacturing companies:

Pozzolana cements are much more durable, corrosion
resistant and has every (best possible) things in
their Pozzolanic cement products. And trying to get
the approval from government to use the PPC in
government projects.

Please put some light on this topic please

Daljeet



__________________________________________________

Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
protection around


----------------------------------------------------------


----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ibarua@deguild.com
Subject: Daily Digest Wed Oct 13 23:00:03
2004
Date: 17/10/04
Time: 07:52:17

----------------------------------------------------------

17 October, 2004

Re.: Change of Z factors depending on soil
conditions

--------------------------------------------------
Prof. A R Chandrasekaran has rightly pointed out the
legal problems that may arise out of increased base
shears due to change in Z factors. The BIS
should protect those engineers who have designed a
structure that may fail despite having been designed
correctly according to the existing Codes. The BIS
may also remember that retro-fitting is very costly
and time consuming.

However, the really good thing about microzonisation
is that the locations of pockets of liquefiable
soils will be identified and thus, knowledge about
liquefiable soils will be widely disseminated. I
stress this point as many structural engineers, and
indeed, so called geo-technical experts seem to be
blissfully unaware of the dangers posed by
liquefiable soils. As an example, I may quote the
instance of a Central University being built on the
north bank of the river Brahmaputra in Assam in
seismic zone V. The site is ringed by a number of
known epicentres of earthquakes of maginitude 5.5 to
8 on the Richter scale at a distance of 25 to 50 km.
When I happened to be at the project site as a
casual visitor, a mere visual inspection of the
excavation in the foundation of a building was
enough to tell me that the soil at the site could be
prone to liquefaction. The soil was cohesionless and
fine grained, and appeared to be unconsolidated. A
perusal of the soil investigation reports of the
site elicited not even a whisper about liquefaction.
I conveyed my apprehensions to the project
authorities, who, at my suggestion, commissioned a
detailed investigation to determine the possibility
of liquefaction or rule it out. This investigation
confirmed my worst fears: the foundation soil was
indeed prone to liquefaction, which could be
triggered at contact pressures as low as 3 t per
sq.m. While the soil could be reconditioned for
future construction, buildings already constructed
are sitting on dangerous ground. I also saw fr
the Government of India under construction in a
nearby area. As far as I know, the project
authorities there are unaware of the dangers lurking
beneath their buildings.

It is perhaps not entirely coincidental that in both
these projects, the consultants were chosen on the
basis of the lowest tender.  Who will
educate the owners and builders of such multi-crore
projects?

Indrajit Barua.
Guwahati, Assam.
(ibarua@deguild.com)

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 general@sefindia.org wrote :


---------------------------------------------------------

Posted via Email
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
adutt
Progressive Member
Progressive Member


Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 43

PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:06 am    Post subject: Daily Digest Thu Nov 4 23:00:03 2004 Reply with quote

Subject :In-elastic Deformations

Dear Sudhakar,

A good seismic resistant design not only aims to keep the overall probability of failure below a given level but arranges the structural system such that less desirable modes of failure are less likely to happen than others.The less desirable modes of failure for a structure are:
1)Those resulting in total collapse of the structure (i.e columns failure)
2) Those involving sudden failure (i.e brittle failure)

The above principle is more valid for strong earthquake loadings than any other loadings & is more demanding on the structure in terms of stresses because the members are likely to go to  the post yield region during an earthquake.Hence it is desirable to control the location of the hinges.
Moreover by designing the members within elastic limit for earthquake loads will make the design highly uneconomical. We are designing structures for a particular limit state ,say limit state of collapse but it does not mean that we want the structure to collapse,we are working reverse & giving safety factors .

Thanking you
With regards
Amit Dutt,Structural Engineer


-----Original Message-----
Message From  general@sefindia.org [mailto:general@sefindia.org]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:30 AM
To: Amit Dutt
Subject: Daily Digest Thu Nov 4 23:00:03 2004

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  acpl_sefi@rediffmail.com
Subject: Reply to Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi  ;s letter dated 29th October 20
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 01:18:10
----------------------------------------------------------


Dear Sangeeta,

What are we waiting for!

Vipul;nbsp;


On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 sdec@bol.net.in wrote :
Dear Vipul,
I guess a time has come when maybe we need to pool resources and form a
couple of formidable consortiums to be able to fight the Big FishAny takers
of the idea?
Sangeeta Wij
----- Original Message -----
Message From  acpl_sefi@rediffmail.com
To: sdec@bol.net.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:00 AM
Subject: Reply to Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi  ;s letter
dated 29th October 2004




Dear Mr. Amit Dutt

I share your concerns over lack of resources available to the Indian
Consulting engineer in investing in expensive programs. However we must
not forget that we need to be competitive at the global level (both
commercially and technically) in the future ;amp; we must start looking
towards that direction sooner than later--soon it may become a survival
issue.

Vipul Ahuja


On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 adutt@desein.com wrote :
Dear Sefians,

;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp;  
I wish to share Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi  ;s deep
concern over the neglect of;nbsp; designing structures with regard to
Routine
Design of Earthquake Resistant Structures. But a Performance Based
Seismic Evaluation ,Push Over Analysis ( Non linear

;nbsp; Analysis) ;amp; other sophisticated methods are easier said
than done
because of lack of resources etc.

Firstly the capability of the average;nbsp; practicing structural
engineers ;amp;
consultants in evaluating the ultimate seismic capacities ;amp; going
for a
non linear analysis is very limited because a major;nbsp; portion of
these
topics are;nbsp; been dealt only at the research level ;amp; not well
established


Secondly the above said analysis will require very powerful ;amp;
costly
softwares beyond the reach of most of the organizations. The most
commonly ;amp; popular software of structural engineering software in
India
seems to be STAAD PRO ,but how many people have really used it for non
linear analysis is a big question.

Thirdly ;amp; probably the most important factor is that the client is
not
willing to give the time which will be required for the kind of
analysis
you are have suggested.



I feel as the awareness to seismic hazard ;amp; seismic risk increases
over
the years within the engineering community ;amp; also the nation as a
whole
the above methods of analysis;nbsp; shall find their true place.



With regards



Amit Dutt

Structural Engineer










Structural Engineers Forum of
India  









Structural Engineers Forum of India  
;nbsp;








Structural Engineers Forum of India  





----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  gayatriajit@yahoo.com
Subject: Training-Ref:Dr S K Jain ;s mail
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 04:08:53
----------------------------------------------------------
Hi Everybody,
I agree with Mr. Kadam in necessity of continuing education. In US, a professional engineer even after having his/her license  has to have a required number of hours of continuing education (PDHs) every year to retain the license.  This is a valid requirement because even if you have experience and qualification, you need to keep updating yourself with new methodologies.
Sharing of information and knowledge will be very helpful to a lot of people including myself.

Regards
Gayatri

p_kadam_sefi@yahoo.co.in wrote:


Dear Sefians,

Continuing Education is indeed necessary irrespective of number of years of experience one has.Proper training helps reduce the Project Cost because of reduced Ignorance factor.Client should know this aspect.

Distant Cont. Education will help a lot especially to practicing engineers ; oldies(like me).

Could we share available softwares among ourselves?

Regards,

P Kadam


Structural Engineers Forum of India  



               
---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ibarua@deguild.com
Subject: Daily Digest Wed Nov  3 23:00:03 2004
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 08:46:18
----------------------------------------------------------

04 November 2004

Re.: Fees quoted by structural engineers
-----------------------------------

I am (unpleasantly) surprised to learn that structural engineers are quoting rates per square foot. First, the architects shot themselves in the foot by quoting fees well below those prescribed by the Council of Architecture. Now engineers are shooting themselves in the foot by quoting per square foot (of drawings or the building??). With such practices, learning and self improvement is stopped at the threshold.

Sefians, any comments??

Indrajit Barua.




----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  kvsscivil@yahoo.com
Subject: Respect and Remuneration
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:00:56
----------------------------------------------------------
Dear All

In our society many buildings are built by non civil engineers ( local contractors / builders) and are getting approvals. In fact the key lies in the local municipal authorities to make it mandatory for getting approval any building, the builder / contractor should submit the detailed design calculations with seismic criteria. This will keep the non civil engineers (contractors) from building high rises at bay. This, I think, will surely rise the reputation and demand for civil engineers.

Regards,
Sudhakar

dhirendrat@gmail.com wrote:
Namaste All,

The Structural Engineer maybe paid directly by the builder /
architect but ultimately the money is coming from the public
at large.

An individual engineer may feel that the profession itself
doesn ;t get the recognition it deserves and therefore as an
individual there is not much that can be done. However its a
catch-22 situation where in unless the individuals take
initiatives the perceptions shall not change.

I feel the structural engineering community must directly
reach out to the public at large too. Most cities now have
science parks or some place where an attempt is made to
inculcate a scientific temperament in the general society.
Salient features of structural engineering can be
incorporated at such place so that it has its deserved place
under the sun. Perhaps some exhibits that demonstrate
difference between unengineered, poorly engineered and
soundly engineered constructions.

Also sefindia.org web site can have pages that interest the
public at large. Such as why its important to evaluate the
quality of structural engineering of a construction. Simple
guidance for obvious indicators of quality of construction.
Information on how they can make a more elaborate
determination and how much it would cost them typically.
Also say a simple quiz that persons can take to judge how
much they know of what they should.

with regards,

Dhirendra Tripathi






Structural Engineers Forum of India  



               
---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  kvsscivil@yahoo.com
Subject: In-elastic Deformations
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:02:41
----------------------------------------------------------
Dear All

I was one of the participant in the recently held workshop on Seismic analysis and design of structures at Bangalore. I have one doubt in this regard.

We design structures for seismic forces  and allow plastic hinges to form in beams, but not in columns, which can be rectified later on.  That means we are allowing buildings to undergo deformations in in-elastic regions. This point was also touched in the workshop. But after the earth quake, we will rectify the damaged beams and other elements and make the structure ready for use. But how can we bring back the deformations the structure under gone in in-elastic region? Could anyone explain on this please.


Regards,
Sudhakar


               
---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ajjjay2001@yahoo.com
Subject: Daily Digest Sun Oct 17 23:00:03 2004
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:22:12
----------------------------------------------------------
--- general@sefindia.org wrote:

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  sidhudaljeet@yahoo.com
Subject: Pozzolana cement
Date: 17/10/04
Time: 00:49:47

----------------------------------------------------------





Hello every body

It is pozzolana cement that is confusing me from
last several years, can any one tell what is the
reality, is it merely big margin for cement
companies or it is really better than OPC  


From an article:

"A series of investigations carried out by CECRI,
(the results of which have been confirmed by the
National Building Organisation, New Delhi, and the
Central Building Research Institute, Roorkee) show
that Indian Pozzolana cements offer less protection
to steel subjected to aggressive conditions. Some
recent foreign publications also suggest a cautious
approach in using different pozzolanic cements. The
durability factor for PPC is found to be 0.5 when
compared to the OPC concrete. But if the use of PPC
cannot be avoided the Inhibitor
formulation developed by the CECRI may be used to
improve the resistance of PPC concrete to a
considerable degree".

Views of cement manufacturing companies:

Pozzolana cements are much more durable, corrosion
resistant and has every (best possible) things in
their Pozzolanic cement products. And trying to get
the approval from government to use the PPC in
government projects.

Please put some light on this topic please

Daljeet



__________________________________________________

Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
protection around


----------------------------------------------------------


----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ibarua@deguild.com
Subject: Daily Digest Wed Oct 13 23:00:03
2004
Date: 17/10/04
Time: 07:52:17

----------------------------------------------------------

17 October, 2004

Re.: Change of Z factors depending on soil
conditions

--------------------------------------------------
Prof. A R Chandrasekaran has rightly pointed out the
legal problems that may arise out of increased base
shears due to change in Z factors. The BIS
should protect those engineers who have designed a
structure that may fail despite having been designed
correctly according to the existing Codes. The BIS
may also remember that retro-fitting is very costly
and time consuming.

However, the really good thing about microzonisation
is that the locations of pockets of liquefiable
soils will be identified and thus, knowledge about
liquefiable soils will be widely disseminated. I
stress this point as many structural engineers, and
indeed, so called geo-technical experts seem to be
blissfully unaware of the dangers posed by
liquefiable soils. As an example, I may quote the
instance of a Central University being built on the
north bank of the river Brahmaputra in Assam in
seismic zone V. The site is ringed by a number of
known epicentres of earthquakes of maginitude 5.5 to
8 on the Richter scale at a distance of 25 to 50 km.
When I happened to be at the project site as a
casual visitor, a mere visual inspection of the
excavation in the foundation of a building was
enough to tell me that the soil at the site could be
prone to liquefaction. The soil was cohesionless and
fine grained, and appeared to be unconsolidated. A
perusal of the soil investigation reports of the
site elicited not even a whisper about liquefaction.
I conveyed my apprehensions to the project
authorities, who, at my suggestion, commissioned a
detailed investigation to determine the possibility
of liquefaction or rule it out. This investigation
confirmed my worst fears: the foundation soil was
indeed prone to liquefaction, which could be
triggered at contact pressures as low as 3 t per
sq.m. While the soil could be reconditioned for
future construction, buildings already constructed
are sitting on dangerous ground. I also saw fr
the Government of India under construction in a
nearby area. As far as I know, the project
authorities there are unaware of the dangers lurking
beneath their buildings.  

It is perhaps not entirely coincidental that in both
these projects, the consultants were chosen on the
basis of the lowest tender.  Who will
educate the owners and builders of such multi-crore
projects?

Indrajit Barua.
Guwahati, Assam.
(ibarua@deguild.com)

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 general@sefindia.org wrote :


---------------------------------------------------------

Posted via Email
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jydesai1
SEFI Member
SEFI Member


Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:36 am    Post subject: Daily Digest Thu Nov 4 23:00:03 2004 Reply with quote

Dear Mr Barua
Even more appalling is the following scenario in the country-Non structural Civil Engineers estimate cost of a structure on the basis of (widely varying) thumb-rules (no drawings, scanty Geotech information, no consideration of complexity or otherwise of the structure) & get it approved by powers-that-be, and then next thing a in-house structural engineer has do is produce a design within 5% of this tendered cost, or else be branded uneconomical/extravagant with "something seriously lacking in his/her calculations". Everyone conveniently forgets that thumb-rules for what they are worth are in no way to be depended upon for realistic estimates but for a very preliminary picture.
This is one of the many things that have to change if importance of a structural Engineer's work has to be recognized to minimize the empiricism bugging him/her. We as Structural Engineers must get increasingly involved in familiarising our work, our problems & requirements to non-Structural Engineers who are someway related with quality of our work. We must constantly question approximations, understand applicability of empirical relationships, refuse to use unsubstantiated Design Inputs and grow rapidly yet surely out of simplistic (based on too many approximations)
methods of analysis and Design.
Like my saying it or not, only such approaches can restore the Structural Engineer's real importance in the present scenario.
J.Y.desai

-----Original Message-----
Message From  general@sefindia.org [mailto:general@sefindia.org]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 4:30 AM
To: J. Y Desai
Subject: Daily Digest Thu Nov 4 23:00:03 2004

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  acpl_sefi@rediffmail.com
Subject: Reply to Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi  ;s letter dated 29th October 20
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 01:18:10
----------------------------------------------------------


Dear Sangeeta,

What are we waiting for!

Vipul;nbsp;


On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 sdec@bol.net.in wrote :
Dear Vipul,
I guess a time has come when maybe we need to pool resources and form a
couple of formidable consortiums to be able to fight the Big FishAny takers
of the idea?
Sangeeta Wij
----- Original Message -----
Message From  acpl_sefi@rediffmail.com
To: sdec@bol.net.in
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:00 AM
Subject: Reply to Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi  ;s letter
dated 29th October 2004




Dear Mr. Amit Dutt

I share your concerns over lack of resources available to the Indian
Consulting engineer in investing in expensive programs. However we must
not forget that we need to be competitive at the global level (both
commercially and technically) in the future ;amp; we must start looking
towards that direction sooner than later--soon it may become a survival
issue.

Vipul Ahuja


On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 adutt@desein.com wrote :
Dear Sefians,

;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp; ;nbsp;  
I wish to share Mr. Sikandar Hayat Siddiqi  ;s deep
concern over the neglect of;nbsp; designing structures with regard to
Routine
Design of Earthquake Resistant Structures. But a Performance Based
Seismic Evaluation ,Push Over Analysis ( Non linear

;nbsp; Analysis) ;amp; other sophisticated methods are easier said
than done
because of lack of resources etc.

Firstly the capability of the average;nbsp; practicing structural
engineers ;amp;
consultants in evaluating the ultimate seismic capacities ;amp; going
for a
non linear analysis is very limited because a major;nbsp; portion of
these
topics are;nbsp; been dealt only at the research level ;amp; not well
established


Secondly the above said analysis will require very powerful ;amp;
costly
softwares beyond the reach of most of the organizations. The most
commonly ;amp; popular software of structural engineering software in
India
seems to be STAAD PRO ,but how many people have really used it for non
linear analysis is a big question.

Thirdly ;amp; probably the most important factor is that the client is
not
willing to give the time which will be required for the kind of
analysis
you are have suggested.



I feel as the awareness to seismic hazard ;amp; seismic risk increases
over
the years within the engineering community ;amp; also the nation as a
whole
the above methods of analysis;nbsp; shall find their true place.



With regards



Amit Dutt

Structural Engineer










Structural Engineers Forum of
India  









Structural Engineers Forum of India  
;nbsp;








Structural Engineers Forum of India  





----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  gayatriajit@yahoo.com
Subject: Training-Ref:Dr S K Jain ;s mail
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 04:08:53
----------------------------------------------------------
Hi Everybody,
I agree with Mr. Kadam in necessity of continuing education. In US, a professional engineer even after having his/her license  has to have a required number of hours of continuing education (PDHs) every year to retain the license.  This is a valid requirement because even if you have experience and qualification, you need to keep updating yourself with new methodologies.
Sharing of information and knowledge will be very helpful to a lot of people including myself.

Regards
Gayatri

p_kadam_sefi@yahoo.co.in wrote:


Dear Sefians,

Continuing Education is indeed necessary irrespective of number of years of experience one has.Proper training helps reduce the Project Cost because of reduced Ignorance factor.Client should know this aspect.

Distant Cont. Education will help a lot especially to practicing engineers ; oldies(like me).

Could we share available softwares among ourselves?

Regards,

P Kadam


Structural Engineers Forum of India  



               
---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ibarua@deguild.com
Subject: Daily Digest Wed Nov  3 23:00:03 2004
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 08:46:18
----------------------------------------------------------

04 November 2004

Re.: Fees quoted by structural engineers
-----------------------------------

I am (unpleasantly) surprised to learn that structural engineers are quoting rates per square foot. First, the architects shot themselves in the foot by quoting fees well below those prescribed by the Council of Architecture. Now engineers are shooting themselves in the foot by quoting per square foot (of drawings or the building??). With such practices, learning and self improvement is stopped at the threshold.

Sefians, any comments??

Indrajit Barua.




----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  kvsscivil@yahoo.com
Subject: Respect and Remuneration
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:00:56
----------------------------------------------------------
Dear All

In our society many buildings are built by non civil engineers ( local contractors / builders) and are getting approvals. In fact the key lies in the local municipal authorities to make it mandatory for getting approval any building, the builder / contractor should submit the detailed design calculations with seismic criteria. This will keep the non civil engineers (contractors) from building high rises at bay. This, I think, will surely rise the reputation and demand for civil engineers.

Regards,
Sudhakar

dhirendrat@gmail.com wrote:
Namaste All,

The Structural Engineer maybe paid directly by the builder /
architect but ultimately the money is coming from the public
at large.

An individual engineer may feel that the profession itself
doesn ;t get the recognition it deserves and therefore as an
individual there is not much that can be done. However its a
catch-22 situation where in unless the individuals take
initiatives the perceptions shall not change.

I feel the structural engineering community must directly
reach out to the public at large too. Most cities now have
science parks or some place where an attempt is made to
inculcate a scientific temperament in the general society.
Salient features of structural engineering can be
incorporated at such place so that it has its deserved place
under the sun. Perhaps some exhibits that demonstrate
difference between unengineered, poorly engineered and
soundly engineered constructions.

Also sefindia.org web site can have pages that interest the
public at large. Such as why its important to evaluate the
quality of structural engineering of a construction. Simple
guidance for obvious indicators of quality of construction.
Information on how they can make a more elaborate
determination and how much it would cost them typically.
Also say a simple quiz that persons can take to judge how
much they know of what they should.

with regards,

Dhirendra Tripathi






Structural Engineers Forum of India  



               
---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  kvsscivil@yahoo.com
Subject: In-elastic Deformations
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:02:41
----------------------------------------------------------
Dear All

I was one of the participant in the recently held workshop on Seismic analysis and design of structures at Bangalore. I have one doubt in this regard.

We design structures for seismic forces  and allow plastic hinges to form in beams, but not in columns, which can be rectified later on.  That means we are allowing buildings to undergo deformations in in-elastic regions. This point was also touched in the workshop. But after the earth quake, we will rectify the damaged beams and other elements and make the structure ready for use. But how can we bring back the deformations the structure under gone in in-elastic region? Could anyone explain on this please.


Regards,
Sudhakar


               
---------------------------------

Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.  www.yahoo.com/a
----------------------------------------------------------

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ajjjay2001@yahoo.com
Subject: Daily Digest Sun Oct 17 23:00:03 2004
Date: 04/11/04
Time: 14:22:12
----------------------------------------------------------
--- general@sefindia.org wrote:

----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  sidhudaljeet@yahoo.com
Subject: Pozzolana cement
Date: 17/10/04
Time: 00:49:47

----------------------------------------------------------





Hello every body

It is pozzolana cement that is confusing me from
last several years, can any one tell what is the
reality, is it merely big margin for cement
companies or it is really better than OPC  


From an article:

"A series of investigations carried out by CECRI,
(the results of which have been confirmed by the
National Building Organisation, New Delhi, and the
Central Building Research Institute, Roorkee) show
that Indian Pozzolana cements offer less protection
to steel subjected to aggressive conditions. Some
recent foreign publications also suggest a cautious
approach in using different pozzolanic cements. The
durability factor for PPC is found to be 0.5 when
compared to the OPC concrete. But if the use of PPC
cannot be avoided the Inhibitor
formulation developed by the CECRI may be used to
improve the resistance of PPC concrete to a
considerable degree".

Views of cement manufacturing companies:

Pozzolana cements are much more durable, corrosion
resistant and has every (best possible) things in
their Pozzolanic cement products. And trying to get
the approval from government to use the PPC in
government projects.

Please put some light on this topic please

Daljeet



__________________________________________________

Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
protection around


----------------------------------------------------------


----------------------------------------------------------
Message From  ibarua@deguild.com
Subject: Daily Digest Wed Oct 13 23:00:03
2004
Date: 17/10/04
Time: 07:52:17

----------------------------------------------------------

17 October, 2004

Re.: Change of Z factors depending on soil
conditions

--------------------------------------------------
Prof. A R Chandrasekaran has rightly pointed out the
legal problems that may arise out of increased base
shears due to change in Z factors. The BIS
should protect those engineers who have designed a
structure that may fail despite having been designed
correctly according to the existing Codes. The BIS
may also remember that retro-fitting is very costly
and time consuming.

However, the really good thing about microzonisation
is that the locations of pockets of liquefiable
soils will be identified and thus, knowledge about
liquefiable soils will be widely disseminated. I
stress this point as many structural engineers, and
indeed, so called geo-technical experts seem to be
blissfully unaware of the dangers posed by
liquefiable soils. As an example, I may quote the
instance of a Central University being built on the
north bank of the river Brahmaputra in Assam in
seismic zone V. The site is ringed by a number of
known epicentres of earthquakes of maginitude 5.5 to
8 on the Richter scale at a distance of 25 to 50 km.
When I happened to be at the project site as a
casual visitor, a mere visual inspection of the
excavation in the foundation of a building was
enough to tell me that the soil at the site could be
prone to liquefaction. The soil was cohesionless and
fine grained, and appeared to be unconsolidated. A
perusal of the soil investigation reports of the
site elicited not even a whisper about liquefaction.
I conveyed my apprehensions to the project
authorities, who, at my suggestion, commissioned a
detailed investigation to determine the possibility
of liquefaction or rule it out. This investigation
confirmed my worst fears: the foundation soil was
indeed prone to liquefaction, which could be
triggered at contact pressures as low as 3 t per
sq.m. While the soil could be reconditioned for
future construction, buildings already constructed
are sitting on dangerous ground. I also saw fr
the Government of India under construction in a
nearby area. As far as I know, the project
authorities there are unaware of the dangers lurking
beneath their buildings.  

It is perhaps not entirely coincidental that in both
these projects, the consultants were chosen on the
basis of the lowest tender.  Who will
educate the owners and builders of such multi-crore
projects?

Indrajit Barua.
Guwahati, Assam.
(ibarua@deguild.com)

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 general@sefindia.org wrote :


---------------------------------------------------------

Posted via Email
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
biju.nair
SEFI Member
SEFI Member


Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 17

PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:54 pm    Post subject: Daily Digest Thu Nov 4 23:00:03 2004 Reply with quote

Dear all,

The importance of a structural engineer comes only when people realises the
need for one.
And that happens only when a catastrophe like E.q strikes.Then all the media
and the authorities start thinking for the need of str. Engineers.
But we can't wait till such a thing happens at our area.
We have to convince the authorities and the media about the important role
of ourselves in the field.Otherwise non qualified persons will
do the business as it happens everywhere in India.

To control this we can  request the authorities to look into matters like,

1) Before allowing a work to start, make it mandatory to have all the
structural design calculations and the design philosophy.
2) All the above caluculations should duly checked and verified by the body.

But the checking body of the local authority should consist knowledgable
persons  from practicing engineers, faculties, academic etc.

regards,

Biju.

Posted via Email
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    www.sefindia.org Forum Index -> Past Discussions Year 2004 All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You can attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


© 2003, 2008 SEFINDIA, Indian Domain Registration
Publishing or acceptance of an advertisement is neither a guarantee nor endorsement of the advertiser's product or service. advertisement policy