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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:27 am Post subject: construction |
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Dear All,
In this connection, the reaction from the owner of building is given in TOI as under.
"The project was a turnkey assignment given to a contractor on the basis of approved plans. The construction work was being carried out, headed by a contractor. The work was also being supervised by a professional architect and structural engineer," said The Times of India general manager RH Dhanani. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/916666.cms
This quote gives me feeling that there was sufficient supervision from Professional Architect and Structural Engineer too.
I believe, in the times of festival season, the contractors tend to put extra efforts in last days to achieve certain targets, and in that process neglects few critical checks and measures. I learned from the electronic media that the building contractor is a well established and reputed construction company and it is hard to believe that such tragedy has occured. I think it was purely a case of inadequate safety measures.
I doubt whether the HSE requirements/criteria has been properly formulated in contracts and cascaded to all levels of engineering endeavors. And there shall be a strong legal system and proper education on HSE aspects to all working manpower, such that the HSE is fully implemented on all projects. Atleast in the area of Safety, the responsibility shall be of the owner as well as the manpower working on such sites. The manpower should be given basic safety items such as safety shoes, eye glasses and helmet while working on such works to minimise injuries and casualities. We have to respect safety as the most important aspect of construction activity and perform tasks with zero casuality.
Regards,
Jignesh Chokshi
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Dear all,
Should we insist for Structural Engineer to be associated with Civil Contractor for site related Structural Engg. such as centering/formwork/derrick design?
regards,
P Kadam
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skjain.iitk General Sponsor
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:52 am Post subject: construction |
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Dear Jignesh:
The fact that there was adequate supervison system in place (structural engineer, architects) and that there was a "well established" construction company involved: makes me shiver. And that was the intent of my original email. The two collapses I mentioned were not in buildings being constructed by uneducated masons, but these buildings were being done by professionals. This is in line with the fact that 130 multistorey buildings in Ahmedabad collapsed during January 2001 earthquake: all were done through professionals.
Two things cause concern to me:
a) If at least two such buildings collapsed in Ahmedabad in a years time, there must be 20 to 50 buildings built in that city during this period that did not collapse but were only marginally stable, that is, were highly unsafe as per codes.These are time bombs. And, Ahmedabad is not alone: as Hari Kumar pointed out, several buildings in last few days have collapsed in different cities in our country.
b) If this is the state of affairs regarding safety of buildings when professionals are involved, what about the buildings where professionals are not involved?
Clearly, we all need to wake up to the reality: we are fast becoming redundant. As more and more people learn that our involvement does not guarantee safety, they will tend to avoid us (and our fees will keep going lower and lower...). The only way to handle this menace is to (a) stop protecting our colleagues when they do not perform their job professionally, and (b) to strive to do a good job ourselves.
Best regards,
Sudhir K Jain
It is common in our country
JVCSNL@ltecd.ltindia.com wrote:
Quote: | Dear All,
In this connection, the reaction from the owner of building is given in TOI as under.
"The project was a turnkey assignment given to a contractor on the basis of approved plans. The construction work was being carried out, headed by a contractor. The work was also being supervised by a professional architect and structural engineer," said The Times of India general manager RH Dhanani. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/916666.cms
This quote gives me feeling that there was sufficient supervision from Professional Architect and Structural Engineer too.
I believe, in the times of festival season, the contractors tend to put extra efforts in last days to achieve certain targets, and in that process neglects few critical checks and measures. I learned from the electronic media that the building contractor is a well established and reputed construction company and it is hard to believe that such tragedy has occured. I think it was purely a case of inadequate safety measures.
I doubt whether the HSE requirements/criteria has been properly formulated in contracts and cascaded to all levels of engineering endeavors. And there shall be a strong legal system and proper education on HSE aspects to all working manpower, such that the HSE is fully implemented on all projects. Atleast in the area of Safety, the responsibility shall be of the owner as well as the manpower working on such sites. The manpower should be given basic safety items such as safety shoes, eye glasses and helmet while working on such works to minimise injuries and casualities. We have to respect safety as the most important aspect of construction activity and perform tasks with zero casuality.
Regards,
Jignesh Chokshi
Disclaimer: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of addressee(s) only and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any view or opinion presented in the said e-mail is solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of L&T - Sargent & Lundy Limited. If you are not the addressee, then this message is not intended for you and be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. In such case, please notify to the sender and delete the e-mail and any attachments with it from your system immediately. Receipt of this e-mail by you shall not give raise to any liability on the part of L&T - Sargent & Lundy Limited.
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Dear all,
Should we insist for Structural Engineer to be associated with Civil Contractor for site related Structural Engg. such as centering/formwork/derrick design?
regards,
P Kadam
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skjain.iitk General Sponsor
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:44 pm Post subject: construction |
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Dear Jignesh:
The fact that there was adequate supervison system in place (structural engineer, architects) and that there was a "well established" construction company involved: makes me shiver. And that was the intent of my original email. The two collapses I mentioned were not in buildings being constructed by uneducated masons, but these buildings were being done by professionals. This is in line with the fact that 130 multistorey buildings in Ahmedabad collapsed during January 2001 earthquake: all were done through professionals.
Two things cause concern to me:
a) If at least two such buildings collapsed in Ahmedabad in a years time, there must be 20 to 50 buildings built in that city during this period that did not collapse but were only marginally stable, that is, were highly unsafe as per codes.These are time bombs. And, Ahmedabad is not alone: as Hari Kumar pointed out, several buildings in last few days have collapsed in different cities in our country.
b) If this is the state of affairs regarding safety of buildings when professionals are involved, what about the buildings where professionals are not involved?
Clearly, we all need to wake up to the reality: we are fast becoming redundant. As more and more people learn that our involvement does not guarantee safety, they will tend to avoid us (and our fees will keep going lower and lower...). The only way to handle this menace is to (a) stop protecting our colleagues when they do not perform their job professionally, and (b) to strive to do a good job ourselves.
Best regards,
Sudhir K Jain
It is common in our country
JVCSNL@ltecd.ltindia.com wrote:
Quote: | Dear All,
In this connection, the reaction from the owner of building is given in TOI as under.
"The project was a turnkey assignment given to a contractor on the basis of approved plans. The construction work was being carried out, headed by a contractor. The work was also being supervised by a professional architect and structural engineer," said The Times of India general manager RH Dhanani. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/916666.cms
This quote gives me feeling that there was sufficient supervision from Professional Architect and Structural Engineer too.
I believe, in the times of festival season, the contractors tend to put extra efforts in last days to achieve certain targets, and in that process neglects few critical checks and measures. I learned from the electronic media that the building contractor is a well established and reputed construction company and it is hard to believe that such tragedy has occured. I think it was purely a case of inadequate safety measures.
I doubt whether the HSE requirements/criteria has been properly formulated in contracts and cascaded to all levels of engineering endeavors. And there shall be a strong legal system and proper education on HSE aspects to all working manpower, such that the HSE is fully implemented on all projects. Atleast in the area of Safety, the responsibility shall be of the owner as well as the manpower working on such sites. The manpower should be given basic safety items such as safety shoes, eye glasses and helmet while working on such works to minimise injuries and casualities. We have to respect safety as the most important aspect of construction activity and perform tasks with zero casuality.
Regards,
Jignesh Chokshi
Disclaimer: This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of addressee(s) only and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any view or opinion presented in the said e-mail is solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of L&T - Sargent & Lundy Limited. If you are not the addressee, then this message is not intended for you and be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. In such case, please notify to the sender and delete the e-mail and any attachments with it from your system immediately. Receipt of this e-mail by you shall not give raise to any liability on the part of L&T - Sargent & Lundy Limited.
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Dear all,
Should we insist for Structural Engineer to be associated with Civil Contractor for site related Structural Engg. such as centering/formwork/derrick design?
regards,
P Kadam
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