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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:55 pm    Post subject: file a suit in delhi high court against coa regarding services Reply with quote

dear suraj singh JI, some one must file a case in Dlehi High Court.An architect is only coordinator.He can not provide rest of  the services like soil investigation,foundation design,structural design.electrical,air  conditionING,communication,fire protection services,water supply.sewerage ,lift AND COMMUUNICATION. All shall contribute small amount so that correction shall be issued by COA. REGARDS SATYA PAL 9899045177(DELHI)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:40 pm    Post subject: Scope related to Architects as included under statutory regulations Reply with quote

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Scope related to Architects as included under statutory regulations
Respected Satya Pal Sahib,
I fully agree with your suggestion to move competent court in this case
I was really surprised to see scope of architect content under statutory mandate
In 1973 regulations were started by delegated enactment followed by parliament approvals
In line with these statutory regulations approved by parliament, notifications were made by GOI & SGs, pertinent architects statutory recognition for buildings & it was mandated that Architect designation be honoured
In fact, COA secretly got done this framing successfully, without engineers be kept abreast
Engineers being such a cold community that never bothers about laws & regulations, but only structural models & formulas
Now, Engineers must bring forth this 'under cover professional condoning game' played by COA or else, Engineers in Civil on buildings would act architects puppets
Petition contents / structured language may be prepared by us, but legal support is required with adequate funds
Must be architect available on SEFI reading all such mails & chart out respective encounters to engineers
I have a pdf file related to this issue of Architect Act 1972, but 2.75MBthis portal is not accepting
I shall post on Slide share & give link for each member to apprise

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:48 pm    Post subject: Architect Act 1972 & Engineers Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:33 am    Post subject: Attn SEFI Management For Legal Action Against COA Reply with quote

Attn SEFI Management For Legal Action  Against COA

  1. Dear All this post is addressed to SEFI Management & in particular to Dr Ms Alpa Seth
  2. After having gone through complete details, pertinent & originally to Architect Act 1972 & thereafter, various facts have revealed that Civil Engineers & other engineers including Structural engineers have been left stray / nowhere by intrigue based design by Statutory body Council of Architecture, constituted under Architects Act 1972
  3. Certain details of subjects & disciplines that regulations claim to have been on statutory charter of architects job responsibilities & obligations enlisted as part 1 & part 2 in one of postings
  4. Such information gives an adverse shear impact on civil & structural engineers in Bharat / India for there has been left no professional activities for civil engineers on statute, related to buildings making
  5. It has been assumed that engineers are just like some professionals, who may be used as & when required & then thrown away like a dounut
  6. Dear SEFIANS you are civil & structural engineers working in Bharat, but you are not recognised professionals on buildings, since Architects do not intend so to do
  7. Architects intend all civil engineers to report to them only & that too, when they require your services, since all architects are qualified to design structures & other professional services per Architects Regulations
  8. Architects would extend to engineers a good favour should job of structural design is assigned to you but in Architect name in public, which means that Engineer is no more than a qualified design calculation clerk in eyes of architect
  9. All details can be seen on Pdf file loaded by me on slide shear & link indicated
  10. You are member on SEFI, which is like an international public forum for engineers
  11. All you shall be adversely affected by this statutory regulations & would never get client formally
  12. According to a common understanding, professional cannot work out of field
  13. Structural design expertise is not covered within Architecture
  14. Soils investigations & other designs are not covered as well
  15. Elevators & such equipment are covered in Mechanical engineering
  16. Sanitation & plumbing & environment all covered under Civil
  17. Architect can be termed as a coordinating professional for all such activities but not an expert, but expert only for space designs
  18. SEFI is a responsible forum, which must raise voice of its community in public interest
  19. SEFI must take all actions, required for writing off all such illegal regulations from statute books & COA must realise that engineers are also, educated community
  20. SEFI should initiate all applicable legal proceedings to sue COA & GOI relevant ministry of urban development or as case would be other relevant
  21. SEFI can use its funds in this regard, so that engineers redraw their lost field
  22. Pre court Notice may be required to serve on COA & GOI ministry
  23. Then competent court may be reached through PIL or petition / suit in HC Or SCI as suitable
  24. SEFI should do its part in public & Engineer interest

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2016 1:48 pm    Post subject: To IEI-Architect Act 1972 Regulations Related To Architect Job Scope Descriptions Reply with quote

The President IEI
Architects Scope of work underArchitect Act 1972 Regulations ???
Respected Sir,
  1. Civil Engineers are very upset in this country, since   they are not invited for building designs services
  2. All advertisements are issued in Architects name under   criteria of Architect Act 1972
  3. There is no procedure through which Engineer may get   client officially for engineering practice
  4. After having gone through Architect Act &   constituted regulations thereunder, it has been noticed that regulations   require only architects to work on buildings, while Civil & structural   engineers are not defined anywhere, both in prime special Act as well as,   within its regulations
  5. I have reproduced scope of architect, as indicated   within regulations as following
  6. I have also, attached a Pdf file giving all details,   pertinent Architect Act & Council of Architecture constituted under   said Act
  7. Surprisingly, structural design is also, covered under   scope of architect
  8. Site evaluation & development issues too are   covered
  9. Mechanical services too are covered etc etc.
  10. I request IEI to raise issue on COA, since there are 2   corporate members from IEI part of COA
  11. IEI should raise issue on what basis, encroachment has   been effected on job description of structural engineers & civil   engineers
  12. IEI should raise issue that COA withdraw all such extra   indicated architectural activities, which are covered within engineers   scope of services
  13. For structural designs & supervisions, only   Chartered Engineers (India) Civil should be invited
  14. Architect cannot be authorised to work on structures
  15. IEI should use its influence on COA & other   relevant bodies, so that Engineers get their due professional practice   jobs
  16. Hope IEI shall act accordingly in its members/engineers  interest
      



    Under Architect Act Regulations
    Architect Act 1972 RegulationsRelated To Architect Job Scope Descriptions
    Comprehensive Architectural Services-Accordingto COA
    Scope of work
    Architect is required to provide following services

    Part 1
    Taking client's instruction & preparing design brief
    Site evaluation, analysis & impact of existing or proposed development onits immediate environment
    Design & site development
    Structural design
    Sanitary, plumbing, drainage, water supply & sewerage design
    HVAC, & other mechanical systems
    Elevators,escalators etc.
    Fire detection, fire protection & security systems etc.
    Periodic inspection & evaluation of construction works

    Part 2
    Allied fields
    Landscape architecture
    Interior architecture
    Architectural conservation
    Retrofitting of buildings
    Graphic design & signage

    Comments- According to foregoing contents that an architect can do, why thereare engineers on buildings


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:25 pm    Post subject: Scope of Architect Per Regulations Constituted Under Architect Act 1972 & Scope of Engineer Encroachment Reply with quote

Following mail sent to Council of Architecture India
Scope of Architect Per Regulations Constituted Under Architect Act 1972 & Scope of Engineer Encroachment

  

  


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Scope of Architect Per Regulations Constituted Under Architect Act 1972 & Scope of Engineer Encroachment


Dear Sir,


I am a Chartered Engineer(India) & IntPE(India) Civil Engineering

I have gone through regulations, pertinent Scope of architect, constituted under Architect Act 1972, which are reproduced below for reference

ComprehensiveArchitectural Services-According to COA
Scope of work
Architect is required to provide following services

Part 1
Taking client's instruction & preparing design brief
Site evaluation, analysis & impact of existing or proposed development onits immediate environment
Design & site development
Structural design
Sanitary, plumbing, drainage, water supply & sewerage design
HVAC, & other mechanical systems
Elevators,escalators etc.
Fire detection, fire protection & security systems etc.
Periodic inspection & evaluation of construction works

Part 2
Allied fields
Landscape architecture
Interior architecture
Architectural conservation
Retrofitting of buildings
Graphic design & signage

Regulations mandate that all foregoing activities, an architect can deliver under professional services!!!

Is this acceptable to profession of architect?
Is architect a Structural / Civil Engineer?

Is architect a Mechanical Engineer?

Is architect a Soil Engineer?

Is architect a Structural specialist?

Is architect a Fire Engineer?

Is architect a retrofitting engineer?

All foregoing disciplines, excepting architectural designs relate to architect discipline

All other building activities are encroachments on other qualified professionals, who have been deprived virtually from performing respective professional activities, due to foregoing incompatible & illegal activities, defined & included on scope of architect
Therefore, it is requested that Council of Architecture re-constitute by statutory amendments to Scope of architects job descriptions
It is also, requested that Ministry of Human resources study & help amend mistake done by regulations constitutions, so that Lakhs of other professionals do not suffer from performing legal duties
Structural engineers/Civil engineers have been left nowhere to be involved on buildings activities in Bharat /India, which amendment of Regulations exercise, would certainly benefit, national development

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:47 pm    Post subject: Response is expected from Engineers using this forum Reply with quote

Response is expected from Engineers using this forum
A response is expected from Management of this forum & from members, regarding what is intended by all about issue of resorting to engineers rights to practice by correcting architects, which they have monopolised
Self help required from engineers, since no one is going to help engineers
Do Engineers intend to remain spectator & being played a whims of architects?
Please speak up

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:01 am    Post subject: Do we have spirited souls? Reply with quote

Do we have spirited souls?

  1. This question is very significant on this forum
  2. A very serious topic is ongoing, while there is no feedback from Lead Level Fellows with more than 20 to 40 years professional high standing
  3. I read only Eng Dr Pandya's response
  4. Do seniors not consider this issue worth for debate & actions?
  5. Even forum leader Dr Alpa Seth seems to have ignored this topic
  6. It appears that there is no will among Civil / Structural fraternity to read self & have self respect
  7. Blame cannot be passed on to Budding engineers & starters, since we do not expect them understand, what this is all about
  8. When very seniors & veteran are not interested to study, review, analyse & resolve this problem, Child engineers cannot do as well
  9. Whatever, it may be, this forum is owned & led primarily by its management, whose in charge is Dr Alpa Seth
  10. I once again appeal her to look into this issue, review, understand, chart out further strategy for further road map, so as to move on by this forum, which is a holding of more than 20000 Engineers
  11. This forum can act as a pressure group in this matter
  12. I shall also, write again & again on this forum & to IEI, regarding this issue
  13. Benefit would not come to me, since I am now 62 & also, to veterans, but to current active professionals, like forum leader & other engineers
  14. Hope for some affirmative action to be seen from Management End

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:24 am    Post subject: Mail written to COA has been registered with PMO portal Reply with quote

Mail written to COA has been registered with PMO portal

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er. Suraj Singhji,

I am a newly active member on this forum and have read several of your posts. I ‘hear’ you speaking for the cause of Structural Engineers.

There are several issues plaguing the profession of Structural Engineers, and each need to be taken up and addressed.

I had started a topic few days back on a similar note and received responses from few fellow Engineers including Er. Satya Paul ji.
http://www.sefindia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17851

How is it possible Architects got an Association and also an act passed for them and nothing has happened for Engineers. I find generally, many Architects belong to well off  strata of society and take it up as an creative outlet. Also Architects have the support of Builders who in turn have the political connections within the Government to make the changes through lobbying. Here in India, it is not direct but lobbying exists nevertheless.

Through extensive marketing, they have got entrenched in the public mind as the ‘professionals’ of the construction industry.
Nobody in public space, thinks of a ‘Stuctural Engineer’ when the word ‘building’ is said, it is always the ‘Architect’ who comes first.
The public has been brain washed into thinking Structural Engineers have no real job and add no value to the construction.

In my own way, I have been trying to make changes by making the common man more aware of the role of ‘Structural Engineers’ in construction. I write in other forums too and you should read this link below from one these forums to really understand what the public thinks of it.


http://www.mybdasites.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=7975&start=10
“Nowadays lot of IS code compliant easy\cheap structural design software's are available , design templates for typical simple structures are easily available. punch in the SBC ,seismic and few other design parameters , it gives u every thing. with grad math and physics one can DIY if interested. ,with no professional degrees. for all we know this may be the workflow of many who claim to be structural engineers.”

The public never contact an SE before construction, the public think of ‘Structural Engineer’ only for Structural problems in building. I can recount several instances, I receive one or two calls a day from such people who are facing structural issues.

Only by writing in forums no concrete action can happen and we will only keep writing, hence I just shifted focus and drafted a document for the Government.

A few days back I sent a Document to the Ministry of HUPA, titled ‘Suggestions for Regulation of Structural Engineers and Improvement of Construction Industry’. I have put in my own opinions and suggestions in this document.

I was quite jubilant when I received a response immediately, no joke. I am sure somebody is there in the Government who is and can listen to the plight of Structural Engineers. If we talk to the Government as a single force they would be forced to sit up and listen to us. SEFI is a forum for Structural Engineers, if all the SE’s can come together and create a body or an Professional Structural Engineers Association to push our cause forward, we can achieve much more. I believe we should go for Structural Engineers Act in Parliament

I digress, when I state that there are several organizations for Engineers but none  promoting the cause of Professional SE’s.

I am attaching the document that was sent to the Ministry of HUPA on Google Drive as this forum allows only 256kb, request all SEFI members to take your time to download and read through the suggestions.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8mdTWsDszw0cDZxblZReXBBNlk



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