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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 3:41 am    Post subject: Econf for RERA Reply with quote

Hi all

it is glad to know that implementation of  RERA act towards Builder and Developers


But in this RERA act some provisions should be made for Standard Fee structures for Structural and other service consultants


Number of revision to be allowed, and additional fee structure for Revisions 


Violations of Codes in high sensitive areas by Builders and developers 
  

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 6:00 am    Post subject: Econf for RERA Reply with quote

@Kumar2013: Totally agree with you,


In fact We the structural engineers are the one who paid least fees from consultant involved, from labour to Architect and developer.


though we have inversely maximum responsibility, if building will have any structural defect or collapsed during earth quake or high wind, we will be the who will punished.


We all knows rate of labors,furniture makers,interiors,architects,plumbers,


As per my Opinion we must have equal fees standard throughout India for least price, and at least


same as architect's fees.



Just for to mention: In medical line, practicing doctors kept fees standard same in Gujarat,as I know, I'm from Gujarat. Doctors have very less responsibility than us.


Why ? what would happen


If we mistake in calculating earthquake forces or ductile detailing,

If we mistake in calculating FOS in Dam,

If transmission line tower fails in buckling or in any other condition.

and many more in all type of structures...

Let me know who's agree with me.
 








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           Hi all

it is glad to know that implementation of  RERA act towards Builder and Developers


But in this RERA act some provisions should be made for Standard Fee structures for Structural and other service consultants


Number of revision to be allowed, and additional fee structure for Revisions 


Violations of Codes in high sensitive areas by Builders and developers 
  
     



     



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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 6:13 am    Post subject: Econf for RERA Reply with quote

I am totally agree with u my friend.A doctor can burry his mistakes but a structural engineer can't,even after his death. Because his drawing speaks louder than any loud speaker......  
On 18-May-2017 11:32 am, "bhsolanki" <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:[quote]            @Kumar2013: Totally agree with you,


In fact We the structural engineers are the one who paid least fees from consultant involved, from labour to Architect and developer.


though we have inversely maximum responsibility, if building will have any structural defect or collapsed during earth quake or high wind, we will be the who will punished.


We all knows rate of labors,furniture makers,interiors,architects,plumbers,


As per my Opinion we must have equal fees standard throughout India for least price, and at least


same as architect's fees.



Just for to mention: In medical line, practicing doctors kept fees standard same in Gujarat,as I know, I'm from Gujarat. Doctors have very less responsibility than us.


Why ? what would happen


If we mistake in calculating earthquake forces or ductile detailing,

If we mistake in calculating FOS in Dam,

If transmission line tower fails in buckling or in any other condition.

and many more in all type of structures...

Let me know who's agree with me.
 








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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 7:00 am    Post subject: Econf for RERA Reply with quote

Yes my friend you are right

On 18-May-2017 11:31 AM, "bhsolanki" <forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org)> wrote:[quote]            @Kumar2013: Totally agree with you,


In fact We the structural engineers are the one who paid least fees from consultant involved, from labour to Architect and developer.


though we have inversely maximum responsibility, if building will have any structural defect or collapsed during earth quake or high wind, we will be the who will punished.


We all knows rate of labors,furniture makers,interiors,architects,plumbers,


As per my Opinion we must have equal fees standard throughout India for least price, and at least


same as architect's fees.



Just for to mention: In medical line, practicing doctors kept fees standard same in Gujarat,as I know, I'm from Gujarat. Doctors have very less responsibility than us.


Why ? what would happen


If we mistake in calculating earthquake forces or ductile detailing,

If we mistake in calculating FOS in Dam,

If transmission line tower fails in buckling or in any other condition.

and many more in all type of structures...

Let me know who's agree with me.
 








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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject: Econf for RERA Reply with quote

While the grievances of fellow structural engineers may be fully justifiable, in my opinion this is not the platform to address them. I suggest that that SEFI come up with substantive suggestions leading to positive contribution from our side. Since the Act focuses on the Developers and Buyers, the engineering community is not directly addrssed in it. 


While the Architects are countrywide licensed by AIIA, practising engineers are expected to register themselves with local sanctioning authorities. As a matter of fact, many states like Telengana and A.P register only civil engineers under certain categories, other specialisations are not registered by them. Though some specialisations are registered by different departments.


With such stringent conditions being imposed on the Developers in the Act, in terms of completion and maintenance of quality, it is advisable that the licensing process of all involved is streamlined and made uniform across the country. It shall be made mandatory that the professional sresponsible for designing and periodically supervising the work shall only sign the sanctioning documents. Though this provision is mentioned in some of the local bylaws, but we notice a mockery is being made of it by a separate class of registered professionals whose role is only to sign the documents for a meagre fee. We shall recommend that clauses shall be incorporated to discourage this practice. In fact we notice many senior professionals, responsible of designing projects, refuse to sign the sanction plans and documents for fear of action, in case the Developer indulge in violations.


I wonder why our community, of practicing professionals, do not carry as much weight as other professional bodies in the country. Time has come for all of us to brainstorm and come up with ideas to make our voice heard, as this will help us play our role more effectively in building this great nation.




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           I am totally agree with u my friend.A doctor can burry his mistakes but a structural engineer can't,even after his death. Because his drawing speaks louder than any loud speaker......
On 18-May-2017 11:32 am, "bhsolanki" forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org))> wrote:
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           @Kumar2013: Totally agree with you,




In fact We the structural engineers are the one who paid least fees from consultant involved, from labour to Architect and developer.


though we have inversely maximum responsibility, if building will have any structural defect or collapsed during earth quake or high wind, we will be the who will punished.


We all knows rate of labors,furniture makers,interiors,architects,plumbers,


As per my Opinion we must have equal fees standard throughout India for least price, and at least


same as architect's fees.



Just for to mention: In medical line, practicing doctors kept fees standard same in Gujarat,as I know, I'm from Gujarat. Doctors have very less responsibility than us.


Why ? what would happen


If we mistake in calculating earthquake forces or ductile detailing,

If we mistake in calculating FOS in Dam,

If transmission line tower fails in buckling or in any other condition.

and many more in all type of structures...

Let me know who's agree with me.
 










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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject: No Title Reply with quote

Dear friends
RERA-An Act in force in Bharat/India

But it cannot be understood by common public & buyers
It is again suggested that Buyers should utilise professional engineers engineering services to deal with promoters & builders in terms to resolve engineering & technical issues

Engineering is complicated, which promoters can misuse to mislead buyers through agents & officers

Allowance of 4 years to promoters to do balance of works in NOIDA is a current example of abusing this Act by officers & promoters

Public is advised to be careful or else, they would suffer further time wise as well as financially

Definition of Engineer exists in RERA, but role not defined clearly

People should know about this role in every respect
It is Engineer, who is responsible for structure & all items to be constructed on site or offsite

Promoter employs engineer for his works
Contractor employs engineer for work on contract of construction, between promoter & contractor
There should be engineer on behalf of buyers to further supervise & superintendent all works done by promoter & contractor
Buyers engineer shall coordinate & ask all questions to be required be clarified from contractor & promoter

Buyers are designated clientage, who have every right to utilise professional services, employing Chartered Engineer (India) & Professional Engineer(India) so that they get all deliveries in time, for which buyers make payments.

It is not an easy task to check all parties working on project
Regulator may not be well qualified from building engineering field

Therefore, buyers require to protect themselves through use of professionals or else, problems shall never go away
Er.Chandra Shekhar Azad
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:00 am    Post subject: Econf for RERA Reply with quote

Dear Sir

Stability of entire structure depends on workmanship of Structural Engineer. It is most important aspect of whole building. Failure of any other system has alternative, but structural failure is very serious and most of the times irreversible. But structural engineers are least paid.

Rammohan Desai

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@Kumar2013: Totally agree with you,


In fact We the structural engineers are the one who paid least fees from consultant involved, from labour to Architect and developer.


though we have inversely maximum responsibility, if building will have any structural defect or collapsed during earth quake or high wind, we will be the who will punished.


We all knows rate of labors,furniture makers,interiors,architects,plumbers,


As per my Opinion we must have equal fees standard throughout India for least price, and at least


same as architect's fees.



Just for to mention: In medical line, practicing doctors kept fees standard same in Gujarat,as I know, I'm from Gujarat. Doctors have very less responsibility than us.


Why ? what would happen


If we mistake in calculating earthquake forces or ductile detailing,

If we mistake in calculating FOS in Dam,

If transmission line tower fails in buckling or in any other condition.

and many more in all type of structures...

Let me know who's agree with me.









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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:29 am    Post subject: Econf for RERA Reply with quote

structural engineers are responsible foe their fate.they are licking the feet of architects. sp  On Thu, 18 May 2017 15:47:01 +0530 "rammohan.desai"  wrote >                   Dear Sir  >  > Stability of entire structure depends on workmanship of Structural Engineer. It is most important  aspect of whole building. Failure of any other system has alternative, but structural failure is very  serious and most of the times irreversible. But structural engineers are least paid.  >  > Rammohan Desai  >  > From: bhsolanki [mailto:forum@sefindia.org]  > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:31 AM > To: econf@sefindia.org > Subject: [E-CONF] Re: Econf for RERA  >  >  >  > @Kumar2013: Totally agree with you, >  >  > In fact We the structural engineers are the one who paid least fees from consultant involved, from  labour to Architect and developer. >  >  > though we have inversely maximum responsibility, if building will have any structural defect or  collapsed during earth quake or high wind, we will be the who will punished. >  >  > We all knows rate of labors,furniture makers,interiors,architects,plumbers, >  >  > As per my Opinion we must have equal fees standard throughout India for least price, and at least >  >  > same as architect's fees. >  >  >  > Just for to mention: In medical line, practicing doctors kept fees standard same in Gujarat,as I know,  I'm from Gujarat. Doctors have very less responsibility than us. >  >  > Why ? what would happen >  >  > If we mistake in calculating earthquake forces or ductile detailing, >  > If we mistake in calculating FOS in Dam, >  > If transmission line tower fails in buckling or in any other condition. >  > and many more in all type of structures... >  > Let me know who's agree with me. >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:12 AM, kumar2013 forum@sefindia.org (forum@sefindia.org))> wrote:  > --auto removed-- >       > >  >  > --

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject: Econf for RERA Reply with quote

Sirs ,Why Structural Engineers are crying ?


Think of the Builders. In one tower of day 56 flats , if he gets booking for even one flat and no more booking , then also he has to complete the Tower with his own money otherwise go to jail. If he gets delayed payments from customer, he can at best charge interest but will that give him money for construction? 
If Bajari and Coarse Sand are not available due to High Court ban etc , then also Builder will hv to complete the Tower. 
The most precarious position is now that of the Builder. 
So many Builders will leave the field . Need for Consultants will go down . Only highly reputed Consultants will remain charging may be exorbitant prices . 


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it is glad to know that implementation of  RERA act towards Builder and Developers


But in this RERA act some provisions should be made for Standard Fee structures for Structural and other service consultants


Number of revision to be allowed, and additional fee structure for Revisions 


Violations of Codes in high sensitive areas by Builders and developers 
  
     



     



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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 12:00 pm    Post subject: Econf for RERA Reply with quote

Seriously Mr Bajaj
Is it difficult for you to understand a Structural engineer’s point of view?? It’s because you have never known the face of a man who struggles day and night to cope up with the often unreasonable demands of the developer/Architect/PMC to agree to revise his work endlessly, in the hope of getting paid one fine day, after his work is done and accepted!!!

How will you understand when you may have never engaged him directly, issuing a complete agreement defining clearly a Scope of work, deliverables, terms of payments etc, which is his right, instead of simply giving all the work to an Architect. An Architect obviously wishes to hire the cheapest engineering Consultants, and the ones who will not stop him from making endless changes, irregular geometries with hidden beams, floating columns, large projections…all in the name of adding glamour to the Project.Whenever the Structural Consultant presses for a Work Order(leave alone a full agreement), the Architect happily changes the structural consultant overnight! Now on top of all this a poor and hapless structural engineer also has to stand a guarantee of 5 years for defect liability… can you please try and understand why are we crying, for God’s sake!!





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Sirs ,Why Structural Engineers are crying ?


Think of the Builders. In one tower of day 56 flats , if he gets booking for even one flat and no more booking , then also he has to complete the Tower with his own money otherwise go to jail. If he gets delayed payments from customer, he can at best charge interest but will that give him money for construction?
If Bajari and Coarse Sand are not available due to High Court ban etc , then also Builder will hv to complete the Tower.
The most precarious position is now that of the Builder.
So many Builders will leave the field . Need for Consultants will go down . Only highly reputed Consultants will remain charging may be exorbitant prices .


Rgds


A k Bajaj
Builder
ROORKEE


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