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vikram.jeet
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 Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Pious intention about social service |
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Yes, agree with you Sir, The end result of all efforts is to change the mindset so that there is improvement in Nation .
Overseas , there is tremendous backing for Quality and there is zero tolerance in execution , you already know being worked mostly in International arena.
Let keep working for betterment with a hope for a change , some day .
| suraj wrote: | Eng Vikram Sahib
I realise your pious intention about social service
My intention was not just to do social service, but to improve nation, yet it looks all imaginary, currently
If engineers can abuse 'Factor of Safety' & there exists no one out of many thousands elite engineers, who would teach & dispute these compromising engineers
It is felt that engineering has become just a route to enter into other fields
I tried to do my best to everyone & not only engineers, but also general public, yet it is distant that quality could be destined in this land
When no Will exist no way is seen in vistas
It seems that forum must have certain power to press engineers to do per engineering requirements, without being swayed by commercial people, but that talk does not exist
Deviation from FOS can be counted a criminalised act
Even certain of my posts are not being included on daily publication
I do not care about what for forum in its entirety
And, Structural Engineer minus Quality means nothing rather a wastage
Nevertheless, I have been continuing my work on FB, linked to Linkedin
I had stopped using this forum for detailing & shifted to FB for public, whereas, only links used to Sefi
Later, when many links are ready, I may use those posts to be published on sefi
It is up to Engineers, whether they are Bhakts or they are real Engineers |
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vikram.jeet
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| A daily postings , some times in early wee hrs of morning , are not there on sefi. I miss greatly for which I requested also. May be I am in support to a person whose mission is beyond self . But still such reminders have to be there on sefi on QA / QC |
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suraj
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 12:02 am Post subject: Links for those, who are interested on respective quality & coordination |
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Links for those, who are interested on respective quality & coordination
I can proclaim that this forum does not have any quality & coordination orientation & exclusively meant for designs, yet URLs have been facilitated, if someone is interested
More URLs shall follow soon
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19.05.2022- Works Real Quality+Coordination Must+Engineering Way+Projects Designs,EPC Contracts+Reliable Engineers+Improve Communication+Concrete Specifications+Civil+Safety+Methods+Disputes,What We Do?Talk 771
https://www.facebook.com/pesuraj/videos/390978136278848
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20.05.2022- Works Real Quality+Coordination Must+Engineering Way+Projects Designs,EPC Contracts+Reliable Engineers+Improve Communication+Concrete Specifications+Civil+Safety+Methods+Disputes,What We Do?Talk 772
https://www.facebook.com/100000185425294/videos/729566878487161
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21.05.2022- Works Real Quality+Coordination Must+Engineering Way+Projects Designs,EPC Contracts+Reliable Engineers+Improve Communication+Concrete Specifications+Civil+Safety+Methods+Disputes,What We Do?Talk 773
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23.05.2022- Works Real Quality+Coordination Must+Engineering Way+Projects Designs,EPC Contracts+Reliable Engineers+Improve Communication+Concrete Specifications+Civil+Safety+Methods+Disputes,What We Do?Talk 775
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vikram.jeet
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Dear Sir ,
Good to see yr posting on sefi .
Forum is yours , forum is for all engineers irrespective of discipline since world of structures needs all , to stand the test of times.
Design is a concept but Construction is reality. Hence I think , sefi forum shall not be treated/ limited to design discussion only .
As already appealed , yr presence on sefi is highly vibrant. Also request to share yr personal experiences regarding various projects handled , challenges , mistakes rectifications , progress improvement and many more issues related to construction. If typing is tiring , yr brief postings can always help .
ALL THE WORLD A STAGE - - - - - - - -William Shakespeare
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SHOW MUST GO ON - - - - - - - - British rock band queen Brain May
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alpa_sheth
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Hi,
Greetings.
I agree with Er. Vikram Jeet ji that structural engineering without good construction is like a cart without a horse.
I therefore request Er. Suraj ji to continue posting on construction issues. That helps all structural engineers to willy nilly look at these issues. we cannot be ostriches buried with our heads in sand.
We are continually seeing failures around us due to bad construction, poor design or a combination of both. We need to talk about construction issues more.
regards,
Alpa
| vikram.jeet wrote: | Dear Sir ,
Good to see yr posting on sefi .
Forum is yours , forum is for all engineers irrespective of discipline since world of structures needs all , to stand the test of times.
Design is a concept but Construction is reality. Hence I think , sefi forum shall not be treated/ limited to design discussion only .
As already appealed , yr presence on sefi is highly vibrant. Also request to share yr personal experiences regarding various projects handled , challenges , mistakes rectifications , progress improvement and many more issues related to construction. If typing is tiring , yr brief postings can always help .
ALL THE WORLD A STAGE - - - - - - - -William Shakespeare
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SHOW MUST GO ON - - - - - - - - British rock band queen Brain May |
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Arunachalam
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| alpa_sheth wrote: | Hi,
Greetings.
I agree with Er. Vikram Jeet ji that structural engineering without good construction is like a cart without a horse.
I therefore request Er. Suraj ji to continue posting on construction issues. That helps all structural engineers to willy nilly look at these issues. we cannot be ostriches buried with our heads in sand.
We are continually seeing failures around us due to bad construction, poor design or a combination of both. We need to talk about construction issues more.
regards,
Alpa
| vikram.jeet wrote: | Dear Sir ,
Good to see yr posting on sefi .
Forum is yours , forum is for all engineers irrespective of discipline since world of structures needs all , to stand the test of times.
Design is a concept but Construction is reality. Hence I think , sefi forum shall not be treated/ limited to design discussion only .
As already appealed , yr presence on sefi is highly vibrant. Also request to share yr personal experiences regarding various projects handled , challenges , mistakes rectifications , progress improvement and many more issues related to construction. If typing is tiring , yr brief postings can always help .
ALL THE WORLD A STAGE - - - - - - - -William Shakespeare
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SHOW MUST GO ON - - - - - - - - British rock band queen Brain May |
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Dear Er.Suraj sir
Though the postings by you are precise and pin point, I used to read the same after some couple of hours later also to understand the full depth what you are gained fully and expose the nerits and demerits etc without compromise the real face of civil engineering today, which is no one dare to touch.
Your delibarations are trasure and guide.
Please continue your guidence irerspective of brick bats or appiciations
Er Arunachalam |
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vikram.jeet
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Mission beyond Self
As already talked about resp Engg Suraj saheb , despite personal health problems ( met with accident - could not walk as per one of his post last yr) , he kept associated with forum with his mission of enlightenment to Engineering fraternity regarding QA/QC aspects , especially for those involved with design & construction . Postings from him sometimes come in early hours when most of us are asleep.
Therefore I regard him as a born Technocrat and his MISSION is beyond SELF.
I further request him to continue . |
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Dr. N. Subramanian
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Field Engineering+Quality+Coordination |
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| suraj wrote: | Eng Vikram Sahib
Field Engineering+Quality+Coordination
Thanks for your concern for me & for forum.
It is well known that you are life long learned engineer & must have seen many changing scenarios of developments throughout
It is also, well understood that Engineers are formally called Change Agents, but rather than changing scenario of society, it seems that engineers have changed themselves from viewpoint of learning
All know well that nation depends of development & development means top development in civil engineering including structures
But, currently & during recent scenario, it has been observed that software has taken over engineering & manual engineering has died, which means that real engineering has died
I still remember those days herein & overseas, when used to do design of structures completely manually, but now mental work has been lost. Minds have been brought to status of standstill like stagnant waters
Budding engineers do not even try to do self work, but immediately jump over to raising questions, as if one must have answer immediately, whether or not, it could be reliable
This forum does not understand value of Quality & Coordination, without which, you know well that no engineering activity can be done
You are right that Lakhs views have been recorded, yet except you, no one has raised any question, which means that those viewers only download & keep for records, rather than analysing contents for questioning
When I started these types of informative posting, I thought to help change national scenario, because I had got success overseas & helped many nationalities to an extent Quality & Coordination are concerned
Only, those who value work & future of structures can rely & excel in quality or else, it is all doldrum
Those, who are not willing, no one can guide them
I now realise that Arabs, UK, Pakistanis, Far Eastern & many others value quality & coordination, while we Bharat Wasis just sleep on these supporting engineering domains
Bharat India can never ever attain quality standards at all & whosoever goes to work overseas in quality requiring nations shall be thrashed
I still remember my stories that I encountered with top world engineers, pertinent quality issues
I could understand what is meaning of multi discipline approach, which does not permit discipline engineer to be just work like butterfly only
One has to learn all aspects of inter discipline coordination or else, structures do not mean anything
Structural designs is a part of structures, but many other aspects are also, required, which Bharat Engineers have neglected absolutely
I think that it is waste of time to awaken those, who have been sleeping like KumbKaran
No other person has questioned me, except you suggest that I should continue
This means these workers in engineering do not have any interest
They shall realise only, when they are stumbled in profession
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Dear Er Surajji
I agree with you that the present day engineers are not interested in acquiring knowledge and are completely dependent on software packages, even without knowing that
Whether they give reliable results in all situations or their limitations.
Thus, computers have already taken over humans, which is a dangerous trend!
Warm regards
Subramanian |
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suraj
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| Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 8:23 am Post subject: Engineering, Coordination, Quality |
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Madam Eng Alpa Seth
Thanks for your response & encouragement for continuation of postings
Herein issue is not about continuation of postings, that of course shall be effected, without having any reservations
But, I do not understand about, why ours engineering community is in sleeping mode?
I did not find burning blood of civil engineers, who must be responsible for national development
It seems that everyone likes to be structural engineer, just after having earned educational qualification, without knowing anything about works controls
These engineers do not realise that construction engineering is unique, for it provides deliveries for many decades to come
All other goods provide deliveries just for few years
Engineers do not understand structures essence
Engineers do not realise that there could be caused any adverse impact due to material hysteresis in long run, once structure has been used for many decades
Engineers must realise that Civil engineering works require self sacrifice & must have capacity & Will for achievements
Civil activities cannot be done using computers only & sitting in air conditioned areas
Civil engineer has to deal with dust, debris & all required resources, good or bad
Civil engineer may not get regard, yet is most reliable for development, because allother professions move once this profession leads
I have been observing worst quality scenario in ours & really, I feel upset
Our universities cannot train engineers for construction, quality & all institutions have proved futile in this regard
It is also, true that GOI is not concerned about quality
Engineers are responsible for use of natural materials, which human cannot produce
Construction is unique world!
No other profession can match this profession
Engineers have to change mindset, because when university stops, field becomes a professor |
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