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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:48 am    Post subject: Gravity column Reply with quote

In a building some of the columns are taken as gravity column. In such case how can we make the detailing of such gravity columns?How can we assign gravity column property to those columns in the structural model?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2025 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gravity Columns :

As name indicate, these columns carry only Gravity Loading  (Vertical floor loads) but are treated as REDUNDANT for sharing Horizontal forces due to EQ.

However as per spirit of IS 1893 ,, these are  still to be designed for some MINIMUM EQ Horizontal force, even though Entire EQ is shared by other members viz Shear walls and other Full columns.

Not a computer / software savy - my remarks on modelling could be treated as tiny tot play :-
Model 1 - Treating Gravity columns redundant for Horizontal forces
Model 2 - Treating Gravity columns capable to share Minimum 33% to 40% Horizontal force

Model 1 to be used for Shear wallsvand other Full columns design
Model-2  to be used for Gravity columns design

Detailing - Needs to be  structurally monolithic
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2025 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DETAILING OF GRAVITY COLUMNS SHALL BE DONE AS  MONOLITHIC AS ALREADY SAID.

BUT IN ADDITION, DUCTILE PROVISIONS MUST BE INCORPORATED AS PER NORMAL FULL COLUMNS.

The idea is that during severe EQ Event, these columns may  yield but do not suffer high P- Delta effects and  Gravity -columns are saved from Local collapse. Even though Structural system of Shear wall and Full columns capable of global strength .
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2025 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikram.jeet wrote:
Gravity Columns :

As name indicate, these columns carry only Gravity Loading  (Vertical floor loads) but are treated as REDUNDANT for sharing Horizontal forces due to EQ.

However as per spirit of IS 1893 ,, these are  still to be designed for some MINIMUM EQ Horizontal force, even though Entire EQ is shared by other members viz Shear walls and other Full columns.

Not a computer / software savy - my remarks on modelling could be treated as tiny tot play :-
Model 1 - Treating Gravity columns redundant for Horizontal forces
Model 2 - Treating Gravity columns capable to share Minimum 33% to 40% Horizontal force

Model 1 to be used for Shear wallsvand other Full columns design
Model-2  to be used for Gravity columns design

Detailing - Needs to be  structurally monolithic



Sir,
    I hope it should be possible to carry out the design with a single model but with 2 sets of load combinations.
Step 1: Do the full model and carry out analysis. See the proportion of base shear carried by all the gravity columns compared to the overall structure. Let us say that 20% is taken by gravity columns and 80% is taken by the rest.

Step 2: Create load combinations for the entire frame excluding the gravity columns with boosted EQ component to enhace the same. Hence 1.5 EQ will be 1.5 x 1/0.8 = 1.875 EQ and 1.2 EQ will be 1.5 EQ.

Step 3: If base shear taken by gravity columns is more than 33%, normal EQ combinations are adequate. If not, it has to be boosted. In this case, 1.5 EQ would become 1.5 x 0.33/0.2 = 1.6625 EQ and 1.2 EQ would become 1.33 EQ. These load combinations shall be used for the design of gravity columns.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2025 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Single Model with different load combinations can be used if design of reinforcement is worked out Manually based on specific Load combination for Gravity Columns,,

But, now a days,, Analysis and Design are done by software based in critical Load combination sorted out by software. In that case, probably, I feel it may need two models, ,
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2025 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes in Single Model :-

One can get results of design reinforcement for a specific load case .

Hence I feel we can tackle Results ( output)  file in two  different files on Single model
One for Shear walls and Full columns on Load combination s  related to these.
Other output file for Gravity columns based on Load combination for it.

Those handling softwares can further say,,

Thanks Er Arun Kumar ji for extending the discussion  putting more light on topic.
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