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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:12 am    Post subject: Engineers Registration Reply with quote

With due regards to the ongoing wide spectrum conference, I have been disappointed by the sef not including my submissions which I forwared with lots of legal & non legal expressions

Any way it is the sef to decide what to include or what not to include

Having gone through the hot discussions from various engineering personalities, one point is obvious that the engineers have not been very awake about the legal system in India

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:22 am    Post subject: Engineers Registration Reply with quote

Dear Sri Suraj,

Your efforts are commendable. You have produced complete charter of IEI,
which very few know about.

I must mention very important point that Chartered Engineer by IEI at one
time was above parliament, but when this got degraded we donot know. Can you
throw some light on this?

With warm regards.

Arvind

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 7:40 am    Post subject: Engineers Registration Reply with quote

Compliments
Reinforced Cement Concrete Buildings Designs Software RCCBDS 2003 (available online)

Powered by Professional Engineer India Suraj Singh


(My experience in the profession of engineering 25 years including 13 years in the Middle East & on this software spent 4000 hours)

A document comprising 2426 worksheets on 120 workbooks amounting an equivalent to 40000 A4 size pages 150 MB giving online opportunity to design building up to 5 bays & 8 levels using 40 super macro templates



Reinforcement in the form of various grades steel bars provided in the concrete imparts it with the capacity to resist tensile stresses, a property concrete is naturally deficient in & both act as a composite material for construction to achieve the structural strength as well as durability for coefficients of linear expansion for both being almost equal & expand together.

RCC construction is not that simple as is considered by the general public particularly in India & layman designs are applied.

Proper professional designing is required to make the building act as one unit to allow it serve successfully adequately to resist all the imposed & dead loads/forces that may come onto it during the lifetime of the structure

An attempt has been made by developing a simple friendly software using Kaniís rotation contribution method to resolve bending moments sagging or hogging in nature, deflections & also all kinds of instant forces such as reaction, shear, wind, seismic & properly linked to the individual templates respecting columns & the beams instant designs.

Generally all possible parameters have been included for the engineers & others assistance to ascertain the correctness of the work undertaken.

The Kaniís rotation contribution method is very simple as part of the theory of structures but lengthy & cumbersome if carried out manually but this software has made it extremely fast & interactive applying super macro form using SCRIRFP code language.

SCRIRFP stands for spreadsheet cells references interlinking formula power. Spreadsheet sheet contains 16,777,216 cells within 65536 rows & 256 columns which makes the spreadsheet itself a power if used decisively.

The calculations have been included using the cells references & not the values without using circular references, There is no need run macros. All shall work just by entering possible dimension values into the required unprotected cells.




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http://www.geocities.com/rccbuildings

http://www.suraj.addr.com

http://www.geocities.com/rccbuildings/Analysisintroductionrccbuildingslinks.doc

or

http://www.suraj.addr.com/Analysisintroductionrccbuildingslinks.doc



Courtesy

P Eng Suraj Singh, PE 28 registration with IEI

March 27, 2003

Professional Engineer (India)

Institution of Engineers (India) IEI an autonomous statutory organisation incorporated by the Royal Charter 1935 effective 1995 enacted & adopted a  bye law to introduce onroll life fellows or life members over 35 years age to be elligible to be certified as professional engineers (India) provided proving an expertise status in the profession of engineering. Oftenl, a five  years R & D experience is a must

Validity of such certificate being 5 years renewable for further 5 years.

It is further suggested that all the life corporate members of the IEI e.g AMIE/MIE/FIE are automatically designated Chartered Engineers (India)

As far as the AICTE notification is concerned to mandatory registration for all engineers, there is no statutory provision within the AICTE Act of parliament of India as given in the ambit of 22 sections. A copy of the Act is available on http://www.aicte.ernet.in

In this regard I have already posted to the HR minister HE Mr Murli Manohar Joshi & IEI registering my observation regarding the statutory provisions.

I have informed that according IEI Charter 1935, only IEI is constitutionally warranted for any class of engineers registration on behalf of union of India

Charter in letter & spirit grants Chartered Engineer status/style & title to corporate members

For PE please refer to http://www.ieindia.org

I advise all Indian engineers to stand for the professional cause & draw powers& authority from the IEI in place of being flown to under the administrative control of union of India if forced to be enrolled by AICTE

Yet Engineering Council of India is a Registered Society & not statutory body, though it included IEI a statutory organisation on its membership

AICTE is not a member of ECI

ACI has not statutory authority to register engineers & if so done couldbe challenged in the court of law as unconstitutional

Similarly it is not good for engineers to involve the inefficient government ministries to carry on the registration of engineers

Always statutory NGOs should be the preferable choice to work efficiently

P Eng Suraj Singh, PE 28 registration with IEI




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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 8:21 am    Post subject: Engineers Registration Reply with quote

mr.SOORAJ SINGH,
INSTITUTION OF ENGINEERS HAS NOT ADMITTED ITSELF
AS A STATUTORY BODY FOR REGISTERING PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AS PER THE AFFIDAVID BY IE(I) IN 1998
BASED ON PUBLIC LITIGATION FILED BY DR.SINGAVI.
THE P.E AWARDED BY IE(I) IS NOT VALID INFRONT OF
COUNCIL OF ARCHITECHTURE ACT 1972.
YOU MAY BE SENIOR MAN BUT YOUR PROFESSION ENGINEER IS NOT RECOGNISED BY INDIAN LAW.
KINDLY DONT WATSTE TIME BY SENDING SOME PRINTED DOCCUMENTS WHICH ALREADY EVERY ONE IS FAMILIAR.ARVIND APPRECIATED ONLY YOUR EFFORT . THE CONTENT IS USELESS AS PER SEFI VIEW/CONTEXT.
I AM SORRY, KINDLY CONTRIBUTE SOME INNOVATIVE SUGGESSION FOR SEFI MEMBERS.

S.RATNAVEL,
MADURAI.








uoting  suraj_engineer@yahoo.co.uk:

Quote:
******************************************
e-Conference on ``Licensing Issues in Structural Engineering profession
in the Indian context`` organised by Structural Engineers Forum of India
(http://www.sefindia.org) under the aegis of Babtie Technical Assistance
Team as a part of the ADB Technical Assistance Project for Capacity
Building for Earthquake Rehabilitation and Reconstruction and Gujarat
State Disaster Management Authority
******************************************
Compliments
Reinforced Cement Concrete Buildings Designs Software RCCBDS 2003
(available online)

Powered by Professional Engineer India Suraj Singh


(My experience in the profession of engineering 25 years including 13
years in the Middle East & on this software spent 4000 hours)

A document comprising 2426 worksheets on 120 workbooks amounting an
equivalent to 40000 A4 size pages 150 MB giving online opportunity to
design building up to 5 bays & 8 levels using 40 super macro templates



Reinforcement in the form of various grades steel bars provided in the
concrete imparts it with the capacity to resist tensile stresses, a
property concrete is naturally deficient in & both act as a composite
material for construction to achieve the structural strength as well as
durability for coefficients of linear expansion for both being almost
equal & expand together.

RCC construction is not that simple as is considered by the general
public particularly in India & layman designs are applied.

Proper professional designing is required to make the building act as
one unit to allow it serve successfully adequately to resist all the
imposed & dead loads/forces that may come onto it during the lifetime of
the structure

An attempt has been made by developing a simple friendly software using
Kaniís rotation contribution method to resolve bending moments sagging
or hogging in nature, deflections & also all kinds of instant forces
such as reaction, shear, wind, seismic & properly linked to the
individual templates respecting columns & the beams instant designs.

Generally all possible parameters have been included for the engineers &
others assistance to ascertain the correctness of the work undertaken.

The Kaniís rotation contribution method is very simple as part of the
theory of structures but lengthy & cumbersome if carried out manually
but this software has made it extremely fast & interactive applying
super macro form using SCRIRFP code language.

SCRIRFP stands for spreadsheet cells references interlinking formula
power. Spreadsheet sheet contains 16,777,216 cells within 65536 rows &
256 columns which makes the spreadsheet itself a power if used
decisively.

The calculations have been included using the cells references & not the
values without using circular references, There is no need run macros.
All shall work just by entering possible dimension values into the
required unprotected cells.




Published on geocities.com & addr.com. Please refer to these URLS

http://www.geocities.com/rccbuildings

http://www.suraj.addr.com

http://www.geocities.com/rccbuildings/Analysisintroductionrccbuildingslinks.doc

or

http://www.suraj.addr.com/Analysisintroductionrccbuildingslinks.doc



Courtesy

P Eng Suraj Singh, PE 28 registration with IEI

March 27, 2003

Professional Engineer (India)

Institution of Engineers (India) IEI an autonomous statutory
organisation incorporated by the Royal Charter 1935 effective 1995
enacted & adopted a  bye law to introduce onroll life fellows or life
members over 35 years age to be elligible to be certified as
professional engineers (India) provided proving an expertise status in
the profession of engineering. Oftenl, a five  years R & D experience is
a must

Validity of such certificate being 5 years renewable for further 5
years.

It is further suggested that all the life corporate members of the IEI
e.g AMIE/MIE/FIE are automatically designated Chartered Engineers
(India)

As far as the AICTE notification is concerned to mandatory registration
for all engineers, there is no statutory provision within the AICTE Act
of parliament of India as given in the ambit of 22 sections. A copy of
the Act is available on http://www.aicte.ernet.in

In this regard I have already posted to the HR minister HE Mr Murli
Manohar Joshi & IEI registering my observation regarding the statutory
provisions.

I have informed that according IEI Charter 1935, only IEI is
constitutionally warranted for any class of engineers registration on
behalf of union of India

Charter in letter & spirit grants Chartered Engineer status/style &
title to corporate members

For PE please refer to http://www.ieindia.org

I advise all Indian engineers to stand for the professional cause & draw
powers& authority from the IEI in place of being flown to under the
administrative control of union of India if forced to be enrolled by
AICTE

Yet Engineering Council of India is a Registered Society & not statutory
body, though it included IEI a statutory organisation on its membership


AICTE is not a member of ECI

ACI has not statutory authority to register engineers & if so done
couldbe challenged in the court of law as unconstitutional

Similarly it is not good for engineers to involve the inefficient
government ministries to carry on the registration of engineers

Always statutory NGOs should be the preferable choice to work
efficiently

P Eng Suraj Singh, PE 28 registration with IEI




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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 3:14 pm    Post subject: Engineers Registration Reply with quote

Dear Mr Ratnavel,
Many of us are grateful to Mr Singh for giving the important information.Grateful to you as well for revealing other side of it.
We dont think anybody is wasting our time
regards,
P Kadam
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******************************************
e-Conference on ``Licensing Issues in Structural Engineering profession in the Indian context`` organised by Structural Engineers Forum of India (http://www.sefindia.org) under the aegis of Babtie Technical Assistance Team as a part of the ADB Technical Assistance Project for Capacity Building for Earthquake Rehabilitation and Reconstruction and Gujarat State Disaster Management Authority
******************************************

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mr.SOORAJ SINGH,
INSTITUTION OF ENGINEERS HAS NOT ADMITTED ITSELF
AS A STATUTORY BODY FOR REGISTERING PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AS PER THE
AFFIDAVIT BY IE(I) IN 1998
BASED ON PUBLIC LITIGATION FILED BY DR.SINGAVI.
THE P.E AWARDED BY IE(I) IS NOT VALID INFRONT OF
COUNCIL OF ARCHITECHTURE ACT 1972.
YOU MAY BE SENIOR MAN BUT YOUR PROFESSION ENGINEER IS NOT RECOGNISED BY
INDIAN LAW.
KINDLY DONT WATSTE TIME BY SENDING SOME PRINTED DOCCUMENTS WHICH ALREADY
EVERY ONE IS FAMILIAR.ARVIND APPRECIATED ONLY YOUR EFFORT . THE CONTENT
IS USELESS AS PER SEFI VIEW/CONTEXT.
I AM SORRY, KINDLY CONTRIBUTE SOME INNOVATIVE SUGGESSION FOR SEFI
MEMBERS.

S.RATNAVEL,
MADURAI.









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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 3:14 pm    Post subject: Engineers Registration Reply with quote

Dear Mr Ratnavel,
Many of us are grateful to Mr Singh for giving the important information.Grateful to you as well for revealing other side of it.
We dont think anybody is wasting our time
regards,
P Kadam
ratsiit@sify.com
wrote
******************************************
e-Conference on ``Licensing Issues in Structural Engineering profession in the Indian context`` organised by Structural Engineers Forum of India (http://www.sefindia.org) under the aegis of Babtie Technical Assistance Team as a part of the ADB Technical Assistance Project for Capacity Building for Earthquake Rehabilitation and Reconstruction and Gujarat State Disaster Management Authority
******************************************

Quote:



mr.SOORAJ SINGH,
INSTITUTION OF ENGINEERS HAS NOT ADMITTED ITSELF
AS A STATUTORY BODY FOR REGISTERING PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AS PER THE
AFFIDAVIT BY IE(I) IN 1998
BASED ON PUBLIC LITIGATION FILED BY DR.SINGAVI.
THE P.E AWARDED BY IE(I) IS NOT VALID INFRONT OF
COUNCIL OF ARCHITECHTURE ACT 1972.
YOU MAY BE SENIOR MAN BUT YOUR PROFESSION ENGINEER IS NOT RECOGNISED BY
INDIAN LAW.
KINDLY DONT WATSTE TIME BY SENDING SOME PRINTED DOCCUMENTS WHICH ALREADY
EVERY ONE IS FAMILIAR.ARVIND APPRECIATED ONLY YOUR EFFORT . THE CONTENT
IS USELESS AS PER SEFI VIEW/CONTEXT.
I AM SORRY, KINDLY CONTRIBUTE SOME INNOVATIVE SUGGESSION FOR SEFI
MEMBERS.

S.RATNAVEL,
MADURAI.









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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:14 am    Post subject: Engineers Registration Reply with quote

Dear All

Thankfully I have noted the comments made by some friends in remarkably anuish mood that C .Eng & P Eng Certificates are illegal which is surprising to me at least

I have mailed to IEI for clarification

If the charter is not in force, no certified authority can be issued on Indian behalf

The institution council is not authorised to file such an affidavit, since the institution is constituted by the corporate members, & in this matter without the approval of the general body of the corporate members, there is no way. The council is authorised only for the governance of the IEI affairs & not to sabotage its base.

The charter construction/interpretation is a general clause matter & if it is to be done, has to be done by the SCI as charter is not MOU

I have informed that my certificate has been used in legal matters even in foreign countries. One is not supposed to make false declaration. Nows the IEI Charter is a very serious matter & is to be taken to legal routes if the foregoing remark is true

PEng Suraj Singh




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